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Old 01-02-2012, 11:30 AM
 
Location: The Brightest City On Earth
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This issue above others has always torn me. On one hand I am a person that believes in the rule of law and I think laws should be enforced. Those that are not should be taken off the books. So it really makes me mad when people sneak into the country illegally. I have always been of the opinion that such people should be caught and deported and the people who hire them sent to jail or subjected to asset forfeiture or both. But on the other hand, I see these people as a real positive for our country. They get up and work hard everyday. They do jobs that Americans would not touch for any wage. And frankly they work harder and have better character than many people who were born here and are lazy bums or criminals. I honestly think we need to help these people in some way. I just don't know how to help them without encouraging more of them to sneak in. We need some kind of amnesty so they can stay but an amnesty that will not encourage more illegal entry.
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Old 01-02-2012, 11:35 AM
 
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This issue above others has always torn me. On one hand I am a person that believes in the rule of law and I think laws should be enforced. Those that are not should be taken off the books. So it really makes me mad when people sneak into the country illegally. I have always been of the opinion that such people should be caught and deported and the people who hire them sent to jail or subjected to asset forfeiture or both.
I agree.

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But on the other hand, I see these people as a real positive for our country. They get up and work hard everyday. They do jobs that Americans would not touch for any wage.
That is a myth. Many are working surprisingly good jobs (there have been stories posted on this forum about illegals making $18+ per hour). In addition, some Americans who have been out of work for a long period would take just about any job.

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And frankly they work harder and have better character than many people who were born here and are lazy bums or criminals. I honestly think we need to help these people in some way. I just don't know how to help them without encouraging more of them to sneak in. We need some kind of amnesty so they can stay but an amnesty that will not encourage more illegal entry.
Look at what happened after the 1986 amnesty. Amnesty only encourages more illegal immigration.

This issue is an emotional one to me as well. However, I am more concerned about the American poor. They are the ones who are most harmed by illegal immigration. Focusing on my concern for them allows me to not focus on my concern for the illegal aliens.
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:20 PM
 
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This issue above others has always torn me. On one hand I am a person that believes in the rule of law and I think laws should be enforced. Those that are not should be taken off the books. So it really makes me mad when people sneak into the country illegally. I have always been of the opinion that such people should be caught and deported and the people who hire them sent to jail or subjected to asset forfeiture or both. But on the other hand, I see these people as a real positive for our country. They get up and work hard everyday. They do jobs that Americans would not touch for any wage. And frankly they work harder and have better character than many people who were born here and are lazy bums or criminals. I honestly think we need to help these people in some way. I just don't know how to help them without encouraging more of them to sneak in. We need some kind of amnesty so they can stay but an amnesty that will not encourage more illegal entry.
All you have to do is consider our unemployment rate is double theirs -- at least when it comes to the country of the bulk of the illegals.

It's not sustainable to keep millions of Americans on government handouts and indefinitely extend unemployment and keep bringing in millions of foreigners to do the work.

They have their country, we have ours. If there is something they don't like about their country, they can work for reforms, but we can't provide all the jobs for the entire world and allow Americans to never work again.

And it might be true that many Americans have become too lazy to ever work, have no desire but to live off government handouts but that is not the answer. Americans have to work.
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:25 PM
 
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This issue above others has always torn me. On one hand I am a person that believes in the rule of law and I think laws should be enforced. Those that are not should be taken off the books. So it really makes me mad when people sneak into the country illegally. I have always been of the opinion that such people should be caught and deported and the people who hire them sent to jail or subjected to asset forfeiture or both. But on the other hand, I see these people as a real positive for our country. They get up and work hard everyday. They do jobs that Americans would not touch for any wage. And frankly they work harder and have better character than many people who were born here and are lazy bums or criminals. I honestly think we need to help these people in some way. I just don't know how to help them without encouraging more of them to sneak in. We need some kind of amnesty so they can stay but an amnesty that will not encourage more illegal entry.
You need to educate yourself on this subject. Illegals are not doing jobs that Americans won't do. Who do you think did those jobs before the arrival of illegal aliens? They also brought down the living wage on those jobs. Working hard does not excuse law breaking and they aren't all hard workers anyway.

Since most Americans aren't lazy bums or criminals why are you using them as justification for illegal aliens in our midst? Our country is already very generous in helping the poor in other countries. Our country is going broke in case you didn't notice. We need to start taking care of our own for a change. Why should we give them amnesty to stay? We need the jobs they are holding and the 1986 amnesty proved that it just encourages more illegal entry. They need to go back to their homelands and seek changes there.

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Old 01-02-2012, 12:54 PM
 
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Besides - there is an H2A visa program that has no cap on the number of visas given for all those jobs that Americans won't do.

The catch however is that legal wages have to be paid, and some feeble attempt has to be made to offer the job to Americans first.
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Old 01-02-2012, 01:53 PM
 
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I get tired of foreigners who voluntarily break our laws being held up as role models. They're nothing of the sort. There's nothing positive about someone who breaks into another country without permission, forges documents to take a job and then refuses to leave.

Illegals are simply arrogant creeps who believe themselves about American laws. They should not be rewarded for that behavior.
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Old 01-02-2012, 03:21 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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There is not one single job out there that wouldn't be done for the appropriate price. Excuses to short cuts are what I am hearing just to maximize profits illegally.
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Old 01-02-2012, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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This issue above others has always torn me. On one hand I am a person that believes in the rule of law and I think laws should be enforced. Those that are not should be taken off the books. So it really makes me mad when people sneak into the country illegally. I have always been of the opinion that such people should be caught and deported and the people who hire them sent to jail or subjected to asset forfeiture or both. But on the other hand, I see these people as a real positive for our country. They get up and work hard everyday. They do jobs that Americans would not touch for any wage. And frankly they work harder and have better character than many people who were born here and are lazy bums or criminals. I honestly think we need to help these people in some way. I just don't know how to help them without encouraging more of them to sneak in. We need some kind of amnesty so they can stay but an amnesty that will not encourage more illegal entry.
Frankly, I am so tired of hearing that they do the jobs Americans won't do. I have seen such an increase of unemployed young men starting yard care services here to feed their families. They do wonderful work and work just as hard in the intense heat in AZ. My son has one of those jobs while going to school...he washes dishes and preps food in a restaurant. He feels lucky to have it right now. I think it is time to secure our borders and take care of Americans, especially the servicemen and women coming home to find long lines in the employment agencies. Build the darn fence now. If we have to send them food, then let us be humane and send them food. But they can go home to fix their problems instead of adding to ours.

One more thing, the young men doing these yardwork services have given us lower prices for doing the same task. Guess who I am hiring from now on?
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Old 01-02-2012, 07:44 PM
 
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They do jobs that Americans would not touch for any wage. And frankly they work harder and have better character than many people who were born here and are lazy bums or criminals. I honestly think we need to help these people in some way. I just don't know how to help them without encouraging more of them to sneak in. We need some kind of amnesty so they can stay but an amnesty that will not encourage more illegal entry.
I respect your opinion, but I want to ask you which jobs illegal immigrants are doing that "Americans would not touch for any wage?" The illegal immigrants that I have known have worked in places such as restaurants, schools, or they are working and getting some help from the government.

"Help" them? How? How about the country from which they come from helping them out?
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Old 01-02-2012, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Earth
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There is not one single job out there that wouldn't be done for the appropriate price. Excuses to short cuts are what I am hearing just to maximize profits illegally.
You mean scrubbing toilets for $15 an hour in order to keep up with the jonses.
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