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Old 01-05-2012, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Yes contempt for the hard working taxpaying Americans who are damned if they don't have insurance -- yet our government just cannot give enough free medical care to Mexicans, even to the point where our officials go to the border itself and pick up Mexican nationals to take to the taxpayer-gutting hospitals.

Nice all-expenses paid medical treatment and trip -- and most likely the guy is nothing but a gang member or cartel goon.

Palomas beating victim airlifted to El Paso - The Deming Headlight

A Mexican citizen found injured in Mexico was air lifted to El Paso for treatment before being returned to his home country, the Luna County Sheriff's Office reported Tuesday.
Pure speculation on what he is, or how he was injured. The Palomas Police are acting in his best interests (would they if he was in a cartel?), there isn't much critical care in Palomas (or Columbus either, but emergency support is much better). "Officials" didn't go to the border, CBP called for aid that could handle the situation.
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Old 01-05-2012, 10:14 AM
 
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You really believe that the US will pay your medical bills if you become seriously ill in Europe or Asia? They might fly you home...as a social gesture...but don't count on even that. So you assert that Mexico is responsible for the medical bills run up by their nationals in the US but the US is not responsible in foreign countries? Help me understand your logic.
WTH?

If you become seriously ill in Asia, Europe or Mexico do you really think those governments are going to pay your medical bills if you can't? They will deport you.

No, Americans are not responsible for the medical bills of Mexican nationals, especially when said nationals are violating our immigration laws. Why do you believe otherwise?

Your assertion seems to be that if Americans get sick abroad and do not have the means to pay for their bills the people in question will pay for our medical bills. You also seem to believe that Mexican nationals are ENTITLED to have Americans pay their medical bills if they get sick when here even if they are in violation of our laws.

That does not make sense.

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In order to ship them home the hospital requires an acceptable facility to receive them. Mostly there are none. If you are going to discharge them with no useful services why not do it in the USA? Then you don't have to pay for the charter and you can watch as they die...
The world's 12th largest economy does NOT have acceptable hospitals? Really?



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Actually europe will handle it reasonably well. They have dealt with the problem for a long time. They simply shove you off into their long term care system. They would not let you stay in a primary hospital bed of course. That is an idiotic American thing driven by you antis.
Europeans will pay for MY medical care if I sneak into their country without permission or health insurance? WOW. Fantastic. Where do I sign up? The only idiotic thing is the Mexican belief that we should provide services for their citizenry. That is an idiotic thing by you illegals defenders and your contempt for Americans.

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I have never heard of that so it must come from you and yours. And it is not true so a myth. Why did you say it if you did not mean it?
Again what did I say that was a myth? Do you really think low skilled migrants from Mexico who don't speak English drive UP wages? Don't overcrowd schools? Pay for their own medical care? Contribute with taxes?

You're babbling.
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Old 01-05-2012, 12:12 PM
 
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<<Actually europe will handle it reasonably well. They have dealt with the problem for a long time. They simply shove you off into their long term care system. They would not let you stay in a primary hospital bed of course. That is an idiotic American thing driven by you antis. >>

No, it's not an idiotic American thing. It's because most long term care facilities are privately owned, and will not take someone without insurance. That's why the patient ends up in a very expensive bed, because the hospital can't dump them on the street. The case of an illegal alien from Central America a few moths ago demonstrates that. He went to a Florida hospital as an emegency, spent several months in the hospital, running up over $1m worth of care, simply because the hospital couldn't find a long term care facility which would accept him without insurance. He eventually agreed to return to his mother's house in Central America, and was flown home at the hospital's expense. Now his US cousin is sueing the hospital for sending him home.
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Old 01-05-2012, 12:28 PM
 
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Your scenario assumes that it would similar to Reagan's amnesty. It doesn't have to be like that at all. We have the option to deport serious criminals, get the rest on the books, secure our border and make immigration a streamlined, sensible process. I still don't understand why some of you believe it has to be one or the other only.
Maybe because when illegal aliens were given amnesty by Reagan we were told it would be about 1,000,000, but it turned out to be closer to 3,000,000. We were also promised, in exchange for amnesty, a secure border, and no more amnesties. Now we have somewhere between 12-20 million, a lot drawn in by the possibility of another amanesty. It will end up being many more than that though. Each newly amnestied person has the potential to bring in parents, and siblings, with their attendant spouses and children, which could add up to 20-30 people each.
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Old 01-05-2012, 01:00 PM
 
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By Obama setting policy that only serious criminal aliens will be deported and not any other illegal aliens that will only encourage more illegal aliens to come here knowing all they have to do is not commit a felony (or at least not be caught at it) and they can stay. Anytime lawbreakers are ignored or rewarded it only encourages more lawbreaking.
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Old 01-05-2012, 02:38 PM
 
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<<Actually europe will handle it reasonably well. They have dealt with the problem for a long time. They simply shove you off into their long term care system. They would not let you stay in a primary hospital bed of course. That is an idiotic American thing driven by you antis. >>

No, it's not an idiotic American thing. It's because most long term care facilities are privately owned, and will not take someone without insurance. That's why the patient ends up in a very expensive bed, because the hospital can't dump them on the street. The case of an illegal alien from Central America a few moths ago demonstrates that. He went to a Florida hospital as an emegency, spent several months in the hospital, running up over $1m worth of care, simply because the hospital couldn't find a long term care facility which would accept him without insurance. He eventually agreed to return to his mother's house in Central America, and was flown home at the hospital's expense. Now his US cousin is sueing the hospital for sending him home.
Actually I believe the hospital won that case. You are aware of course that the hospital actually shipped him out after an appeals court had ordered that it not be done. You are also aware he ended up in the boonies being cared for by his elderly and ill mother? There actually was no workable facility to handle him in the receiving nation.

The sensible thing would be for the states or feds to cover the cost in such situations just so you don't waste huge sums of money on unneccessary hospital confinement. They would likely do so but for the pressure that they are aiding and abetting illegals. So the Hospitals get to suffer.
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Old 01-05-2012, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Because if we are talking about the reasons why people come the US illegally, it's probably not about medical care, but rather overall quality of life, most importantly, employment.

Please explain why that should be our problem. Do we have obligations to citizens of other countries who are unhappy living in their own country?
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Old 01-05-2012, 03:01 PM
 
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Please explain why that should be our problem. Do we have obligations to citizens of other countries who are unhappy living in their own country?
Of course not. Should never have allowed the existing set of illegals in.

But that of course is the problem. They are in. And what do we propose to do about it?

Nope - can't deport them. Lack the will and the means.
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Old 01-05-2012, 05:22 PM
 
Location: California
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Of course not. Should never have allowed the existing set of illegals in.

But that of course is the problem. They are in. And what do we propose to do about it?

Nope - can't deport them. Lack the will and the means.
How is there a lack of will when Obama has deported more in the past 3 years than Bush did in 8? That would also apply to the means, would it not? You may be confusing your claims with not having the infrastructure to go larger in both deporting and holding, what is needed is more man power.
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Old 01-05-2012, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Of course not. Should never have allowed the existing set of illegals in.

But that of course is the problem. They are in. And what do we propose to do about it?

Nope - can't deport them. Lack the will and the means.

Cut them off from everything. Jobs, education, medical, social services......they'll leave
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