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Old 01-06-2012, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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Originally Posted by malamute View Post
Man! Are 15 years getting stupider or what? We have the kid who brandished a real looking toy gun at the police and now this girl telling ICE agents she's here illegally.

I'm glad I was a bit brighter as a 15 year old.
Clearly something went wrong later on.

 
Old 01-06-2012, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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She's a 15-year-old. They do idiotic things.

I would expect more from the adults who made the decision to send her to Colombia, though.
I don't. Is there any doubt quite of few of the people here would've sent her packing? I'm not so sure.
 
Old 01-06-2012, 11:54 AM
 
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Not only that but it wouldn't be far fetched for someone from Columbia to be bi-lingual. Since she would have spoken to DHS in English they would have responded in English. Why would a question come up about whether or not she also spoke Spanish?
Yea, it WOULD be far fetched for a 15 year old in Colombia to be bilingual. I doubt that even 10 percent of the population there is bilingual. And for her to be bilingual to the point that she could have effortless conversation with NO ACCENT would be highly suspicious and a dead giveaway. Hell, Hispanic Americans born and raised here have accents if they're bilingual. Not strong ones, but enough to indicate that they're bilingual.

Again, this is a 15 year old. She should be easy to trip up by professionals being paid at the level of GS-11 and higher. She names several locales that she lived in, would've had to attend schools in, and would've had to know several people that would know who she is.

In fact, upon learning that she's a Colombian national, there is no doubt in my mind that a Spanish speaking agent would've been sent to deal with her and would've started out in the Spanish language in the interview. They would've presumed that she is conversant in Spanish first!

C'mon...stop it folks. You're making excuses.
 
Old 01-06-2012, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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According to ICE she at no point came forward to rectify what she had already told authorities.

Well, it's a good thing ICE authorities take only the word of a troubled 15 year old as proof enough of citizenship.

She is young however at the age of fifteen she must have enough intelligence to realize the consequences of her actions especially if she was living on the streets by herself for a year. At some point in time people are responsible for their own actions or in this case inaction.
In no reality would deportation make for a logical conclusion to this story, nor would it be reasonable punishment for a perceived crime. It's ironic that you demand this girl take personal responsibility, yet fail to hold ICE officials accountable for their total incompetency. It's no wonder we have the ridiculousness related to illegals, you guys can't even be reasonable about American citizens.
 
Old 01-06-2012, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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OK, let me go ahead and state the obvious...these individuals don't care because she is a 15 year old Black girl....if she were a 15 year old blonde Caucasian girl (think Natalee Holloway) there would be a full scale uproar on the usual cable news shows (Nancy Grace et al) demanding answers and accountability.

These same people calling this CHILD a "lost cause" and making the assumption that she is headed for "welfare" and "the projects" think this way about Black Americans in general. This CHILD's life means NOTHING to these people.

Regarding the girl being deported, it actually sounds like she was "allowed" to be transported as a part of the global child sex trade. I would not be surprised if there are people on both sides of the border who funnel girls to various countries for the purpose of sex trafficking.
I'm not as sure it's about race instead of just a general callousness and disregard for human life.
 
Old 01-06-2012, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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It really is a shame this happened and it is even a bigger shame that she lied to authorities as to her identification. I do feel sorry for her, but while it should have never happened, she could have saved all of this grief, by meerly giving the authorities her proper name.
Because in the 21st Century, people don't lie and there is no way to verify identity of a child before shipping them off to another continent.
 
Old 01-06-2012, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Center of the universe
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Not only that but it wouldn't be far fetched for someone from Columbia to be bi-lingual. Since she would have spoken to DHS in English they would have responded in English. Why would a question come up about whether or not she also spoke Spanish?

If you're a Colombian, the assumption would be that you could speak the language............
 
Old 01-06-2012, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If you're a Colombian, the assumption would be that you could speak the language............
What if an illegal from Colombia was the age this girl purported to be (21) and had been brought to the US by their parents at a very young age?
 
Old 01-06-2012, 12:18 PM
 
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What if an illegal from Colombia was the age this girl purported to be (21) and had been brought to the US by their parents at a very young age?
Then if she were not able to speak Spanish at all, she probably wouldn't have been able to speak to her parents.
 
Old 01-06-2012, 12:18 PM
 
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What if an illegal from Colombia was the age this girl purported to be (21) and had been brought to the US by their parents at a very young age?
I've yet to see a single Hispanic (and i've lived in a heavily Hispanic state nearly all my life) that was actually BORN in their mother country, and couldn't speak the language at all. Now i know some with pretty deficient Spanish, but to not know it all at? Never. Not once have i seen that.

Every Latino that i've ever met that doesn't know Spanish was born here, and most are somewhere around 2nd or 3rd generation Americans.

But if you come here with parents that brought you at a young age, what language did they speak to you in if not your mother tongue? C'mon...it just doesn't happen. You'll speak Spanish at home and English in the streets. But there is no way that you won't know both.
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