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Old 01-15-2012, 01:42 PM
 
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I would think the going in position is that everyone lies about who they are. In general a quick check will verify the ID as most of those arrested are repeaters.

However for females of young age it should be standard to gain corroboration...family, school, ss number, DL what have you. Just good sense and few enough in number it should not be a big problem. Same for younger men as well though they are not nearly as good at getting older when they choose.
How young are you going to go though? remember, They thought that she was in her early 20s. I'm sure if they had of suspected otherwise, they would have done more research on it. You have to keep in mind, that she declared herself as an illegal immigrant; verififcation of her SS,DL, family members would have been extremely unlikely and unrealistic in those circumstances, because more than likely they wouldn't have been able to get ahold of any of it. So what do you do at that point? Hold her in a cell for another 6 weeks, turn her over to protective services?, or send her back to where she claims she came from?

Essentially what you are requesting is a full blown investigation that would include a lot of LE personnel, money and manpower. To verify everything, they would have also had to have someone verify relatives in Colombia as well to establish residency and over the phone contact would not be standard procedure in that case. Someone would have had to actually go to an address in Colombia, talk to relatives, check ID etc before handing her over. Again, it's just completely unrealistic.

By some of the suggestions in here, it sounds as if the Secret Service should have been involved lol. The US could not possibly provide the type of resources that some people are assuming they should have in this case for one person in a non-emergency situation.

 
Old 01-15-2012, 01:47 PM
 
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I would think the going in position is that everyone lies about who they are. In general a quick check will verify the ID as most of those arrested are repeaters.

However for females of young age it should be standard to gain corroboration...family, school, ss number, DL what have you. Just good sense and few enough in number it should not be a big problem. Same for younger men as well though they are not nearly as good at getting older when they choose.
But you don't seem overly concerned that the strip club that hired her as a 14 year old didn't better verify her age.

The real damage to this girl was done to her in the USA, not in Colombia where she was given a decent job at a call center.
 
Old 01-15-2012, 03:03 PM
 
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But you don't seem overly concerned that the strip club that hired her as a 14 year old didn't better verify her age.

The real damage to this girl was done to her in the USA, not in Colombia where she was given a decent job at a call center.
What on earth has that got to do with anything? A Houston strip club would love a delectable young girl as long as she has suitable papers. They could not give a damn if she is 14 or 22...just whether they are protected.

And the standard for hiring in a Houston strip joint would be vastly less that that of a Police force or immigration people.
 
Old 01-21-2012, 09:37 AM
 
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How young are you going to go though? remember, They thought that she was in her early 20s. I'm sure if they had of suspected otherwise, they would have done more research on it. You have to keep in mind, that she declared herself as an illegal immigrant; verififcation of her SS,DL, family members would have been extremely unlikely and unrealistic in those circumstances, because more than likely they wouldn't have been able to get ahold of any of it. So what do you do at that point? Hold her in a cell for another 6 weeks, turn her over to protective services?, or send her back to where she claims she came from?

Essentially what you are requesting is a full blown investigation that would include a lot of LE personnel, money and manpower. To verify everything, they would have also had to have someone verify relatives in Colombia as well to establish residency and over the phone contact would not be standard procedure in that case. Someone would have had to actually go to an address in Colombia, talk to relatives, check ID etc before handing her over. e Secret Service should have been involved lol. The US could not possibly provide the type of resources that some people are assuming they should have in this case for one person in a non-emergency situation.
Some of the countries follow that procedure before issuing
a travel document Otherwise someone from Latin America
would say he is from another country and get deported there
Both DHS and Colombian consulate are equally to be blamed
 
Old 01-21-2012, 09:57 AM
 
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Some of the countries follow that procedure before issuing
a travel document Otherwise someone from Latin America
would say he is from another country and get deported there
Both DHS and Colombian consulate are equally to be blamed
Mark Lyttle also ping-ponged around countries after being deported, but the Mexican IMN figured out he wasn't from there very quickly...

And when he had tried to re-enter the United States he was told wrongly he wasn't a citizen, notably when the State Department flew him home...
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