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Old 01-07-2012, 05:51 PM
 
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the law should be changed to make it so only citizens of the USA get a public education.
Sorry. The requirement is constitutional. We don't modify the Constitution over this class of issue.

 
Old 01-07-2012, 07:03 PM
 
Location: California
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Sorry. The requirement is constitutional. We don't modify the Constitution over this class of issue.
Where in the US Constitution does it state that an education is required to be given to anybody? Congress can create a law that renders Plyler's ruling moot. Talk about lies and myths...

Yes, the Constitution renders "classes' of persons and people as being different, not all persons here are to receive full Constitutional privileges unless citizen.
 
Old 01-07-2012, 07:09 PM
 
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Where in the US Constitution does it state that an education is required to be given to anybody? Congress can create a law that renders Plyler's ruling moot. Talk about lies and myths...

Yes, the Constitution renders "classes' of persons and people as being different, not all persons here are to receive full Constitutional privileges unless citizen.
Is there some suggestion in Phyler that Congress can overide? I can't think of one off hand. I also don't see a way to pass legislation that says "the 14th shall not apply to the following class".

And no it would have to be a legitimate state reason. And the court pretty much said that is not going to fly.

Nahh you are just puffing again.
 
Old 01-07-2012, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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the law should be changed to make it so only citizens of the USA get a public education.
Yeah, but then I've got a couple Mexican National stepchildren going to school here...
 
Old 01-07-2012, 07:28 PM
 
Location: California
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Is there some suggestion in Phyler that Congress can overide? I can't think of one off hand. I also don't see a way to pass legislation that says "the 14th shall not apply to the following class".

And no it would have to be a legitimate state reason. And the court pretty much said that is not going to fly.

Nahh you are just puffing again.
What the 14th states as to what Brennan was describing is the equal protection clause: The Equal Protection Clause directs that "all persons similarly circumstanced shall be treated alike." F. S. Royster Guano Co. v. Virginia, 253 U.S. 412, 415 (1920)
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Public education is not a "right" granted to individuals by the Constitution. San Antonio Independent School Dist. v. Rodriguez, 411 U.S. 1, 35 (1973). But neither is it merely some governmental "benefit" indistinguishable from other forms of social welfare legislation.

You think Congress can't create a law that denies certain social welfare to illegal aliens?
 
Old 01-07-2012, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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What the hell are you talking about? You chose a story about one citizen of mexican descent, out of hundreds of illegal alien mexican nationals crossing our borders daily with their kids in tow in order to partake of American tax payer funded education, free breakfast and lunch to accuse me of being a racist.

Read the entire article and please stop putting words in my mouth.

With each delusional off topic rant and personal attacl that you post it has become more than obvious that your only purpose on this board is to troll and insult anybody that does not agree with your pro illegal alien rants.
I didn't "chose" the story at all, it was the U.S. citizen father and daughter that were featured in the article you quoted. How are "illegal alien" parents and their children crossing through a U.S. Port of Entry to take the kids to school? You're not posting the article in the correct forum area, because it has absolutely nothing to do with illegal aliens.

Being a Mexican National is not a race, nor is a Mexican National child going to school in the United States an "illegal alien"...
 
Old 01-07-2012, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Reading is fundamental and comprehension is key.

Translation: Mexican nationals illegally crossing the border to attend American schools = illegal aliens attending American schools.

You can put your race card back in your pocket now.
Yes, reading is fundamental.
They are not illegally crossing the border. As per the link in the OP, they simply travel across one of the border crossings, i.e. The Bridge of the Americas, every day and cross back at night same as someone travelling from NJ to NYC for work every day.
I agree that they absolutely should pay tuition like any other out-of-district resident, however, as it stands now, there is nothing illegal about what these particular people are doing.
 
Old 01-07-2012, 08:47 PM
 
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What the 14th states as to what Brennan was describing is the equal protection clause: The Equal Protection Clause directs that "all persons similarly circumstanced shall be treated alike." F. S. Royster Guano Co. v. Virginia, 253 U.S. 412, 415 (1920)
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Public education is not a "right" granted to individuals by the Constitution. San Antonio Independent School Dist. v. Rodriguez, 411 U.S. 1, 35 (1973). But neither is it merely some governmental "benefit" indistinguishable from other forms of social welfare legislation.

You think Congress can't create a law that denies certain social welfare to illegal aliens?
Do you ever read what you cite?

"But neither is it merely some governmental "benefit" indistinguishable from other forms of social welfare legislation."

So it is not equivalent to social welfare per your cite. What is it you were trying to say and again puffed past?
 
Old 01-07-2012, 09:42 PM
 
Location: California
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Do you ever read what you cite?

"But neither is it merely some governmental "benefit" indistinguishable from other forms of social welfare legislation."

So it is not equivalent to social welfare per your cite. What is it you were trying to say and again puffed past?
in·dis·tin·guish·a·ble/ˌindiˈstiNGgwiSHəbəl/

Adjective:Not distinguishable; not able to be identified as different or distinct.

You might try understanding the words used. What exactly is it that you think school is, that's right you think its some sort of Constitutional requirement!

Brennan also found that if the State were to deny an education to this group of youngsters it must show a compelling State interest for doing so and it had not.

You might want to try understanding exactly what Brennan was stating, the following sentence defines what the "distinction" is: Both the importance of education in maintaining our basic institutions, and the lasting impact of its deprivation on the life of the child, mark the distinction


 
Old 01-07-2012, 10:10 PM
 
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in·dis·tin·guish·a·ble/ˌindiˈstiNGgwiSHəbəl/

Adjective:Not distinguishable; not able to be identified as different or distinct.

You might try understanding the words used. What exactly is it that you think school is, that's right you think its some sort of Constitutional requirement!

Brennan also found that if the State were to deny an education to this group of youngsters it must show a compelling State interest for doing so and it had not.

You might want to try understanding exactly what Brennan was stating, the following sentence defines what the "distinction" is: Both the importance of education in maintaining our basic institutions, and the lasting impact of its deprivation on the life of the child, mark the distinction


So you don't know that "neither" is a negation?

Sheesh...
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