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Old 01-11-2012, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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You can not possibly be debating that Mexicans account for the majority of all illegals.
Currently the percentages of Mexicans whom legally immigrate and illegally immigrate are within just a few points of each other. Any positive change is worthwhile. This thread within itself shows it often isn't based on just numbers.
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Old 01-11-2012, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Currently the percentages of Mexicans whom legally immigrate and illegally immigrate are within just a few points of each other. Any positive change is worthwhile. This thread within itself shows it often isn't based on just numbers.
Do you dispute that mexicans are in fact the majority of illegals?
As to Mexicans who immigrate legally almost equaling the illegal numbers I cant argue the point because I honestly dont know. That said if its true then I would say that the illegals have even less an excuse to do so illegally.
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:26 PM
 
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Say at a hotel of 100 rooms. They hire, and I'm spit balling here, 10 illegals to clean rooms 8 hours a day. I doubt they hire that many but. Say they would have to pay $2.00 an hour more now. thats $160.00 per day say rooms are filled to 40% capacity. $4 dollars a night per room. big deal......
Was just swinging through since I used to follow this site, and caught this post.

Tinman your math is off by quite a bit, and you are under selling your side of the debate. It's understandable since the way the problem is layed out is in the same manner that a good riddle tricks you. Either that or you are way over estimating how long it takes to clean a room

Either way the answer should be around $1 extra a night is all that Americans would have to pay for a hotel cleaned by Americans or legal immigrants being paid $2 an hour more. Not the $4 you estimated.

The trick is that since the opening statement says "100 rooms", one's mind assumes that is the number needing to be cleaned. The reality is if the hotel has only 40% occupancy then only 40 rooms need to be cleaned.

I have seen the hotel staff at Marriot take a room that contained 6 wild young adults and get it cleaned in 30 minutes. So around 30 minutes a room is a fair guess.

Now the problem becomes trivial. Divide the hourly wage difference by 2 and that is the cost increase per room.

If an illegal is being paid $8 an hour then you could pay a legal worker $16 an hour and it would result in only a $4 rise in prices (A difference of $8 divided by 2). At $16 an hour you would have a line a mile long seeking employment. Likewise since most hotels seem to charge around $80 a night I can't see Americans screaming if it rises to $84 a night.


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Old 04-13-2012, 04:50 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Ah, yes, a statement that really shows your position well...
And just what would you do to propose, to end this crippling epdimic.
These law breakers from entering this Country on a daily basic.

Knew you see someone who worked our borders, so i heard it all, the numbers coming in, i am sure are actually more then what we are being told. He quit, but i heard it all.And the violence and the filth assocaited with catching these criminals.
Just what might your position be, in halting more illegals from entering this Country illegally.
They are a burden are they not, and the majority of illegals in this Country are hispanic.
We as Americans i believe have a gripe with anyone who is in our Country illegally, so don't play the why are you concentrating on Mexicans, there are many more of them that is why.
What would your position be as President, to halt this mess, the crap, that we have put up with for way way too long.
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Old 04-13-2012, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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And just what would you do to propose, to end this crippling epdimic.
These law breakers from entering this Country on a daily basic.

Knew you see someone who worked our borders, so i heard it all, the numbers coming in, i am sure are actually more then what we are being told. He quit, but i heard it all.And the violence and the filth assocaited with catching these criminals.
Just what might your position be, in halting more illegals from entering this Country illegally.
They are a burden are they not, and the majority of illegals in this Country are hispanic.
We as Americans i believe have a gripe with anyone who is in our Country illegally, so don't play the why are you concentrating on Mexicans, there are many more of them that is why.
What would your position be as President, to halt this mess, the crap, that we have put up with for way way too long.
Please use a more correct grammar in this response, so I can better understand how to reply...

"I" and "Hispanic" should be capitalized, "country" should not be...
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Old 04-13-2012, 05:32 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Please use a more correct grammar in this response, so I can better understand how to reply...

"I" and "Hispanic" should be capitalized, "country" should not be...
I doubt it matters, right? Why do you end every sentence with DOT DOT DOT? A Professor would shred that.
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:03 PM
 
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Please use a more correct grammar in this response, so I can better understand how to reply...

"I" and "Hispanic" should be capitalized, "country" should not be...
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:24 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Was just swinging through since I used to follow this site, and caught this post.

Tinman your math is off by quite a bit, and you are under selling your side of the debate. It's understandable since the way the problem is layed out is in the same manner that a good riddle tricks you. Either that or you are way over estimating how long it takes to clean a room

Either way the answer should be around $1 extra a night is all that Americans would have to pay for a hotel cleaned by Americans or legal immigrants being paid $2 an hour more. Not the $4 you estimated.

The trick is that since the opening statement says "100 rooms", one's mind assumes that is the number needing to be cleaned. The reality is if the hotel has only 40% occupancy then only 40 rooms need to be cleaned.

I have seen the hotel staff at Marriot take a room that contained 6 wild young adults and get it cleaned in 30 minutes. So around 30 minutes a room is a fair guess.

Now the problem becomes trivial. Divide the hourly wage difference by 2 and that is the cost increase per room.

If an illegal is being paid $8 an hour then you could pay a legal worker $16 an hour and it would result in only a $4 rise in prices (A difference of $8 divided by 2). At $16 an hour you would have a line a mile long seeking employment. Likewise since most hotels seem to charge around $80 a night I can't see Americans screaming if it rises to $84 a night.


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Some good points here. I saw an argument that showed how vegetables would rise in price by pennies. In the mean time what we save on social services would more than counter any price hikes.
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:31 PM
 
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Please use a more correct grammar in this response, so I can better understand how to reply...

"I" and "Hispanic" should be capitalized, "country" should not be...
I don't do that with "anglo". Different things for different people with different agendas. Maybe cause I'm of Irish family I don't use A with anglo. Many "Black" people don't use B, they use b. It's their right.
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:41 PM
 
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I don't do that with "anglo". Different things for different people with different agendas. Maybe cause I'm of Irish family I don't use A with anglo. Many "Black" people don't use B, they use b. It's their right.
It was just a diversionary tactic to avoid answering the question anyway. I think we have gotten used to that, haven't we?
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