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Old 01-09-2012, 09:39 PM
 
Location: California
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If you have pointed out three entire "simple ways" they can legally immigrate, how come they continue to come illegally? I've seen whole involved conspiracy theories on this forum, implying secret societies are directing every detail. There seems to be an exceptional amount of footwork to avoid an Occam's razor explanation.
As the OP states, they don't want to wait to do it legally, it takes time and more than a 4th grade education.

 
Old 01-09-2012, 09:43 PM
 
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Why would I bet, the number that use the TN is very low, I think less than 1,000 per year.
So maybe two or three weird specialists who don't have a bachelor's degree?

So what you really are saying is the lower end Mexican has no way of getting to the US legally is it not?

Or let me turn it around. How many low end Mexicans do you think made it to the US with LPR status in the last year?
 
Old 01-09-2012, 09:45 PM
 
Location: California
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Our rules on birth right citizenship are Constitutional and not going to change. If however their were no illegals here it would not be much of a problem would it?
The Progressive recognized "rules" on BRC are not the interpretation as recognized by SCOTUS in WKA, BRC is merely defined by DoS to include anchor babies through their interpretation of WKA, unless you go back to understand Calvins Case which Gray opens with, for which it increases the Progressive interpretation of Jus Soli to include allegiance by ones parents being owed and passing it down, something Progressives intentionally leave out to suit their ideals.

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Old 01-09-2012, 09:51 PM
 
Location: California
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So maybe two or three weird specialists who don't have a bachelor's degree?

So what you really are saying is the lower end Mexican has no way of getting to the US legally is it not?

Or let me turn it around. How many low end Mexicans do you think made it to the US with LPR status in the last year?
You haven't followed any of this discussion.... a BS is not needed to obtain the TN visa, the "occupations" may either require a BS or an equivalent.

What I am saying is the low end Mexican as per the OP, who has a HS Diploma, does have legal avenues to come. You are now taking it further in implying 4th grade educated persons should also have a way....my question to you would be why?

People don't make it here with LPR status, they apply for it once here from being on a visa. It's called Adjusting Status.
 
Old 01-10-2012, 07:48 AM
 
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If you have pointed out three entire "simple ways" they can legally immigrate, how come they continue to come illegally? I've seen whole involved conspiracy theories on this forum, implying secret societies are directing every detail. There seems to be an exceptional amount of footwork to avoid an Occam's razor explanation.
It's obvious that they want to take the quickest route to get here, isn't it? Besides we still have annual quotas for legal immigration. Therefore, all the Mexicans and other nationalities that want to come here cannot regardless of these so-called "simple ways" to do it legally. That of course does not excuse them for coming here illegally anyway.
 
Old 01-10-2012, 07:53 AM
 
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If you have pointed out three entire "simple ways" they can legally immigrate, how come they continue to come illegally? I've seen whole involved conspiracy theories on this forum, implying secret societies are directing every detail. There seems to be an exceptional amount of footwork to avoid an Occam's razor explanation.
Obviously many Mexicans are not here illegally and they sure aren't all rich so we all know it's very possible to come here legally even without any education.

Many wouldn't pass even a simple background check, many have no means of supporting themselves here or their large numbers of children.

And of course why supply someone a work visa which costs money when it's so very easy to order up a semi-trailer load of illegals who are more than happy to break the law and take the low paying job offered?

There is nothing preventing employers from providing a 3rd grade drop out a work visa. However the employers are supposed to make some slight effort to offer the job to a citizen first before bringing in immigrants but they don't have to make much of an effort of course.
 
Old 01-10-2012, 07:56 AM
 
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And with unemployment rates as high as they are -- this country does not need to be importing millions of people. And all these people coming here want to bring their children, their grandparents, parents, siblings, cousins.

There aren't jobs for all the people throughout the world who might want to come here for their nice comfortable life and we cannot afford millions more on unemployment and food stamps.

So like it or not, it's time that some people in other countries start making other options for themselves. They simply cannot all solve their problems by coming here and expecting to live on Easy Street.
 
Old 01-10-2012, 10:17 AM
 
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Eleanora...you simply don't listen very well.

I have said repeatedly and loudly that the Mexican illegal alien contingent should never have been allowed to occur. What part of that don't you understand?

I simply hold we take vastly less damage if we regularize those here and cut off new arrivals.

If you think about it you realize we have to be able to cut off new arrivals or we always end up back here again. Makes no difference whether we throw them out or regularize them. We still have to be able to stop the influx. If we cannot stop the influx it does not really matter what we do now does it?

I have made no comment about relative immigrants. I am actually pretty negative on all working age immigrants at this point in time. I don't particularly care who they are related to...the answer is no with rare exceptions.

Our rules on birth right citizenship are Constitutional and not going to change. If however their were no illegals here it would not be much of a problem would it?
The sentence of yours that I bolded and italicized indicates that you don't listen at all, let alone think about what you write. You propose amnesty with that statement. You will NOT cut offf new arrivals by giving permission to illegals here to stay. It did not work in 1986. You are vastly mistaken if you think it will work again.
 
Old 01-10-2012, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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You haven't followed any of this discussion.... a BS is not needed to obtain the TN visa, the "occupations" may either require a BS or an equivalent.

What I am saying is the low end Mexican as per the OP, who has a HS Diploma, does have legal avenues to come. You are now taking it further in implying 4th grade educated persons should also have a way....my question to you would be why?
There may be legal avenues to come visit and maybe even do a temp job, but there are no legal avenues to immigrate.

Visas like the TN, J-1, and H2-B are not dual-intent visas. They are granted with the specific understanding that you will return to your home country after your temporary job is finished. If you tell the consular official that you hope to find a sponsor for a green card while you are in the U.S., they will reject your application right away. And good luck trying to get an employer to sponsor you for a green card with a high school education working in a non-specialty occupation like waiting tables or cooking up Mexican food.

The audience of the OP is for the people who shout to illegals "go back to your home country and wait in line to immigrate legally". The truth is there is NO legal way for them to immigrate to the U.S. unless they find some way to marry a U.S. citizen or if they already have relatives in the U.S.. Illegal immigrants are here not because they don't want to wait to do it legally, but because they want to be in the U.S. even though there is no legal way to do so. This doesn't excuse the fact that they are breaking the law and no one is denying that this makes them criminals. Call them criminals for coming here illegally, but don't call them lazy.

Of course if you are anti- illegal immigration but you already know that most Mexicans have no way of coming legally, then you can ignore this thread because my point has already been made
 
Old 01-10-2012, 11:04 AM
 
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You haven't followed any of this discussion.... a BS is not needed to obtain the TN visa, the "occupations" may either require a BS or an equivalent.

What I am saying is the low end Mexican as per the OP, who has a HS Diploma, does have legal avenues to come. You are now taking it further in implying 4th grade educated persons should also have a way....my question to you would be why?

People don't make it here with LPR status, they apply for it once here from being on a visa. It's called Adjusting Status.
You seem to be refusing to admit the absolutely obvious. It is virtually impossible for a Mexican lacking a relationship or some specialized skill or credential to permanently immigrate to the US.

The telling proof is that there are not any...

I would think the procedure for obtaining an LPR is sufficiently obvious that it does not require a detailed explaination. Perhaps I misjudged your knowledge of the area? You really don't know how one gets an LPR?
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