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Old 01-12-2012, 12:29 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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You are incredibly dishonest. There is a thread on this same crime over on the True Crime forum. I work with organizations that are involved with abused and neglected and murdered children and there is a high incident of this kind of horror against children. Try looking up the Briana Lopez case. That one makes your skin crawl. There is case after case of older Mexican men taking off with young Mexican girls, usually around 12 years old. Just look at the Missing Children boards at WalMart and see how many there are. You do not know what you are talking about.

The short life and brutal death of Baby Brianna (http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/The_short_life_and_brutal_death_of_Baby_Brianna_07 6886 - broken link)
Why am I being dishonest? It's a terrible crime, but that doesn't change the following facts:

1. Crime rates have plummeted since the 1980s and early 1990s. Murder itself was just reported to have been removed from the list of top 15 causes of death in the US for the first time since 1965. This is fantastic news.

2. Falling crime rates during high rates of immigration should tell you something, and that they continue to fall even through tough economic times should tell you even more.

 
Old 01-12-2012, 12:41 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Oh but wait they only come here for a betterr life, no crime as some on here say. They take the jobs Americans will not do, what a crock
Appears lately,. they are commiting a lot of rapes. Heard about the case of an illegal who killed a Pretty American Girl, because he collected women's panties after seeing pron flicks. Real nice.
Do not know what State this was in but he stabbed the girl more then 50 times.

As OhBeeHave has said, unfrigginbelievable?
Yep, I guess they all meet at some banquet somewhere and plan these things like robots. just like how blacks from all cities fly out to congregate to discuss how to perpetuate stereotypes. (SARCASM)

For every illegal Mexican that commits a crime like this I can post about a citizen who do the same. For every one citizen that doesn't do these things there is also one Mexican national who doesn't either.
 
Old 01-12-2012, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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Yep, I guess they all meet at some banquet somewhere and plan these things like robots. just like how blacks from all cities fly out to congregate to discuss how to perpetuate stereotypes. (SARCASM)

For every illegal Mexican that commits a crime like this I can post about a citizen who do the same. For every one citizen that doesn't do these things there is also one Mexican national who doesn't either.
Stop it, don't you know that all Mexicans are drug dealers and baby murderers out to steal jobs from people who have the time to spend all day debating illegal immigration online? I at least work online and can do that, but you have to wonder about the rest.
 
Old 01-12-2012, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Yep, I guess they all meet at some banquet somewhere and plan these things like robots. just like how blacks from all cities fly out to congregate to discuss how to perpetuate stereotypes. (SARCASM)

For every illegal Mexican that commits a crime like this I can post about a citizen who do the same. For every one citizen that doesn't do these things there is also one Mexican national who doesn't either.
Its possible that you are correct. That doesn't change the fact that this illustrates exactly why we need to control all who enter this country just as we would who we allow to enter our homes.
Every family no doubt has a relative that we are less than proud of or even comfortable with. That doesn't mean that we accept every stranger into our home because we might have a pervert for a cousin too.
Every victim of a crime committed by an illegal is 1 too many and 1 that could have and should have been prevented. We need only secure our border and enforce our laws.
This scum bag was deported and returned because our gov can't be bothered with enforcing the law.
Its a lame excuse to say well we have criminals too. Yes of course we do, that doesn't mean that we need to import more or accept this as acceptable.
Its easy to say when your not the victim.
 
Old 01-13-2012, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Every victim of a crime committed by an illegal is 1 too many and 1 that could have and should have been prevented. We need only secure our border and enforce our laws.
This scum bag was deported and returned because our gov can't be bothered with enforcing the law.
Its a lame excuse to say well we have criminals too. Yes of course we do, that doesn't mean that we need to import more or accept this as acceptable.
Its easy to say when your not the victim.
So true. Instead of looking at the problem head on, some prefer to cite other problems to blur the lines.

I lost a HS classmate to a drunken driver who was an illegal immigrant. Had our government been enforcing immigration laws and securing the border, Dan would still be alive.

Daniel J. Gambardella CBS New York
 
Old 01-13-2012, 02:08 PM
 
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So true. Instead of looking at the problem head on, some prefer to cite other problems to blur the lines.

I lost a HS classmate to a drunken driver who was an illegal immigrant. Had our government been enforcing immigration laws and securing the border, Dan would still be alive.

Daniel J. Gambardella CBS New York
In general illegals have a lower crime rate than natives. It is in fact likely a sufficiently big differential that removing the illegals would increase the crime rate. So if you deport them all the probabiliy of you or a friend getting robbed goes up...not down.

Terrible anecdotes are easily found for illegals, legals or natives. They have no meat. You need the actual numbers.
 
Old 01-14-2012, 12:25 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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In general illegals have a lower crime rate than natives. It is in fact likely a sufficiently big differential that removing the illegals would increase the crime rate. So if you deport them all the probabiliy of you or a friend getting robbed goes up...not down.

Terrible anecdotes are easily found for illegals, legals or natives. They have no meat. You need the actual numbers.
And would you happen to have these numbers, please?
 
Old 01-14-2012, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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So true. Instead of looking at the problem head on, some prefer to cite other problems to blur the lines.

I lost a HS classmate to a drunken driver who was an illegal immigrant. Had our government been enforcing immigration laws and securing the border, Dan would still be alive.

Daniel J. Gambardella CBS New York
That's a little strange logic. Had that particular person been legal, would that have played a role in their decision to get drunk and then drive?
 
Old 01-14-2012, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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That's a little strange logic. Had that particular person been legal, would that have played a role in their decision to get drunk and then drive?
How is it strange? If laws were enforced the illegal wouldn't have been in this country in the first place.

Do you allow a leak to grow worse and create further damage, or do you repair it immediately to mitigate further damage?
 
Old 01-14-2012, 04:31 PM
 
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In June 2010, undocumented immigrants represented 14.8 percent of Arizona state prisoners, but accounted for only 7 percent of the state's overall population according to the Department of Homeland Security.
Undocumented Immigrants Increasingly Filling Arizona Prisons - CBS News Investigates - CBS News
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You pay nearly $1B a year to house illegal immigrant prisoners
Eyewitness News obtained data from the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation from the end of December 2010. According to those tables, there were 16,902 inmates on hold for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. There were also 3,962 prisoners listed as potential ICE holds.

Together, that makes 20,864 inmates, which is about 13 percent of California's total inmate population of 162,821 on that date.

"These are foreign-born inmates," CDCR spokeswoman Terry Thornton told Eyewitness News. "Or unlawfully present."

The data shows where all the inmates come from, and it's across the globe.
You pay nearly $1B a year to house illegal immigrant prisoners | Investigations | Bakersfield Now - News, Weather and Sports
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July 6 (Bloomberg) -- Ezeiquiel Lopez already had a rap sheet that stretched all the way to Texas when, police said, he shot Kenosha County, Wisconsin, Deputy Sheriff Frank Fabiano in the head, killing him.
Lopez, 45, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, was free at the time of the May shooting, after having been jailed for two prior violent crimes. By law, he should have been deported, but federal immigration authorities didn't know he had been in custody, and state and local police didn't tell them.
U.S. Unable to Deport Most Illegal Immigrants Who Commit Crimes - Bloomberg
While the illegal alien defenders would like for us to believe that the criminal acts of illegal aliens in the country are a drop in the bucket, statistics continue to prove otherwise.

Unfortunately, this is merely a small sample of the millions of illegal alien criminals filling American jails, while millions more commit crimes that go unreported and undetected.
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