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Old 01-12-2012, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Waiting till one can AFFORD to have kids is BS?
No, read it again...

Malamute statement of Mexico's birthrate being "extremely high" is BS...

The CIA Factbook lists it below average in the world, and decreasing steadily over the last dozen years...

Whom is more correct?...
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Old 01-12-2012, 09:39 PM
 
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I don't care how many kids someone wants to have -- IF and ONLY IF they can feed their children and obey the laws at the same time.

Mexico's extremely high birth rate isn't with it's educated and responsible classes, it's growing middle class isn't comprised of grade school drop outs who started having children at 13 or 14.

The answer to a high grade school drop out rate and having many children you cannot afford is NOT to come to the USA where all your problems will be solved.

If someone in Mexico finishes school, obtains some job skills and delays the start of a family until that and marriage, and limits family size to what he or she can afford, this person stands a very good chance of joining Mexico's growing middle class.

Those who fail to do any of that are the ones pouring over the borders because in the USA the government (taxpayers of the USA) will have to provide the free medical care, the food stamps, school meals, and housing assistance that the unskilled and illiterate require.

They are NOT leaving a country with a very low cost of living to come to a country with a very high cost of living because they can afford it here without a lot of government assistance. You won't find many illegals who paid even one hospital bill much less a $200 doctor's office visit.
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Can we see some sources on your statement about "extremely high birthrates for Mexico", teen pregnancy, etc.?...

For others, because I know how to dismiss your BS for what it is...
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Waiting till one can AFFORD to have kids is BS?
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Originally Posted by IBMMuseum View Post
No, read it again...

Malamute statement of Mexico's birthrate being "extremely high" is BS...

The CIA Factbook lists it below average in the world, and decreasing steadily over the last dozen years...

Whom is more correct?...
Read again malamute's post. I agree with him. He's talking about the LOWER classes who are the breeders and have NO business having kids they can't afford.
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Old 01-12-2012, 10:09 PM
 
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Read again malamute's post. I agree with him. He's talking about the LOWER classes who are the breeders and have NO business having kids they can't afford.
So you can source that it is the "LOWER classes" in Mexico with "extremely high birthrates"?...
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Old 01-14-2012, 09:55 AM
 
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No, read it again...

Malamute statement of Mexico's birthrate being "extremely high" is BS...

The CIA Factbook lists it below average in the world, and decreasing steadily over the last dozen years...

Whom is more correct?...
Wrong -- actually the people who choose to remain in Mexico and become Mexico's growing middle class are NOT having babies irresponsibly. THOSE people tend to finish school, get some job skills ard are limiting family size to what they can afford. They are not the group that's pouring over the border to the USA.

We are getting the underclasses of Mexico. We are getting that subset with the extremely high birth rates, the irresponsible types who never finished school and start having children at very young ages. That is the whole reason they come here, they can't support their children in their own country where the cost of living is very low, so they come here where they won't have to pay their hospital bills but will be rewarded with food stamps, government housing and much much more for their high birth rates.

All one has to do is look at the extreme population increase rates throughout the USA of "hispanics". Obviously this is not the result of American-hispanics gulping down fertility pills. American hispanics would not be much different from other Americans. Yet -- there are towns that are experiencing a 400% ppulation rate increase in hispanics. Towns that never had hispanics 20 years ago -- and it's not because American citizen hispanics are packing up and relocating en masse to these places.
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Old 01-14-2012, 09:58 AM
 
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So you can source that it is the "LOWER classes" in Mexico with "extremely high birthrates"?...
You should be able to figure it out -- most illegals will even tell you they can't feed their children if they stay in their own country -- even while their own country has an unemployment rate half of ours. And while their own country's middle class is rapidly growing while our middle class is shrinking.

Check the census statistics from 1990 compared with 2000 and 2010 for the numbers of hispanics throughout the USA -- it's an extremely large rate of population increase.
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Old 01-14-2012, 10:03 AM
 
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Okay -- I have the stats. The "hispanic" population rate increase from 2000 to 2010 was a rate of 43%. The result of both extremely high immigration and extremely high birth rates.

Hispanics Lead U.S. Population Growth - WSJ.com

In a demographic shift touching every corner of the U.S., the Hispanic population grew faster than expected and accounted for more than half of the nation's growth over the past decade, with the group's increase driven by births and immigration.
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Old 01-14-2012, 10:52 AM
 
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So you can source that it is the "LOWER classes" in Mexico with "extremely high birthrates"?...
No numbers here. Having even ONE kid when they can't afford it is ONE too many.
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Old 01-14-2012, 11:06 AM
 
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Okay -- I have the stats. The "hispanic" population rate increase from 2000 to 2010 was a rate of 43%. The result of both extremely high immigration and extremely high birth rates.

Hispanics Lead U.S. Population Growth - WSJ.com

In a demographic shift touching every corner of the U.S., the Hispanic population grew faster than expected and accounted for more than half of the nation's growth over the past decade, with the group's increase driven by births and immigration.
Why are the "extremely high" birthrates of Mexico (the original placement for your statement) marked as being born in the United States? You teleport your numbers around like Star Trek. Really, what is your reason for lying?
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Old 01-14-2012, 11:10 AM
 
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Why are the "extremely high" birthrates of Mexico (the original placement for your statement) marked as being born in the United States? You teleport your numbers around like Star Trek. Really, what is your reason for lying?
Like I said -- those with the extremely high birthrates are simply crossing over the border to have their kids here where the rewards for having children they can't afford are great.

Why stay in Mexico where responsibility and self-control is required if one wishes to get ahead in life? Come to the USA if you are a loser. You won't be allowed to fail here.

How else do you explain the huge increase in "hispanics" throughout the USA? And in some places the rate of increase is 400% in just 10 years.
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Old 01-14-2012, 12:00 PM
 
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Considering the USA reached 300 million people in October 2006, this is an enormous birth rate:

U.S. Hispanic population to triple by 2050 - USATODAY.com

The U.S. population will soar to 438 million by 2050 and the Hispanic population will triple, according to projections released Monday by the Pew Research Center.
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