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Old 01-15-2012, 02:15 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...Due to your obvious support of illegal immigration, be it FAIR or any other reputable source you will never agree with their research or statistical data...
If it is a "reputable source", why are their numbers (the "6 Billion") differ from what yours would be? In the article, the cost per year is from the births of "Anchor Babies". The illegal alien birthrate is estimated to be 33 per 1,000 in population.

They have doubled the reported illegal alien population as being more agreeable to them (20 million illegal aliens in the United States). At 33 births per 1,000, that is 726,000 "Anchor Babies" per year by their estimates. A "normal" birth is appraised at between $6,000 to $8,000 (they select the average as $8,000 for some reason).

$8,000 multiplied by 726,000 births is $5.8 billion (they round up to $6 billion)...

So, if you say there are 50 million illegal aliens in the United States, wouldn't those figures be $13.2 billion instead? 33 births for every 1,000 of that population is 1.65 million ("Anchor") babies per year. That would be one-third of the births in the United States (the other 250 million Americans have a birthrate around 13 per 1,000 in population).

So a third of our babies are "Anchors"? How can that even make sense? What maternity ward would have those demographics?
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Old 01-15-2012, 02:43 AM
 
Location: In bed with Madonna
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Ill cover the standard excuses.

3. But they only do jobs americans are too lazy to do
4. They are good for the economy
These are a fact.
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Old 01-15-2012, 07:53 AM
 
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FAIR is not a reputable source. All of the operation costs of the Coast Guard and National Guard can't be attached to illegal immigration. You, and whomever titled the article you linked here ("$6 Billion a Year for Mexican "Anchor Babies?") also need to read a little better:

Tomasa Mendez's illegal immigrant parents are Guatemalan...

Of the family, only she is a U.S. citizen "Anchor Baby", the other two children (as of 2007) were brought from Guatemala. Who knows where the family is currently, almost five years after the original news article. For an update (of June 2007), look here.

A little looking, a little reading, would really do wonders for knowing what to believe...
You're kidding right? You find ONE Guatemalan in the hoards of millions of anchor babies (primarily from Mexico) in your sad attempt to discredit one story and the reality of the invasion of America courtesy of illegal aliens primarily from SOB?

Speaking of updates, here's one that you need to take a little look at:

Immigration Counters.com - Live Counters, News, Resources



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Old 01-15-2012, 08:04 AM
 
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If it is a "reputable source", why are their numbers (the "6 Billion") differ from what yours would be? In the article, the cost per year is from the births of "Anchor Babies". The illegal alien birthrate is estimated to be 33 per 1,000 in population.

They have doubled the reported illegal alien population as being more agreeable to them (20 million illegal aliens in the United States). At 33 births per 1,000, that is 726,000 "Anchor Babies" per year by their estimates. A "normal" birth is appraised at between $6,000 to $8,000 (they select the average as $8,000 for some reason).

$8,000 multiplied by 726,000 births is $5.8 billion (they round up to $6 billion)...

So, if you say there are 50 million illegal aliens in the United States, wouldn't those figures be $13.2 billion instead? 33 births for every 1,000 of that population is 1.65 million ("Anchor") babies per year. That would be one-third of the births in the United States (the other 250 million Americans have a birthrate around 13 per 1,000 in population).

So a third of our babies are "Anchors"? How can that even make sense? What maternity ward would have those demographics?
Why quivel about whose numbers are correct? The fact remains that thousands of anchor babies are born on our soil each year at the taxpayer expense and that entitles them to support from our tax coffers until they are 18 years of age. Why not just admit that their parents violated our immigration laws and this wouldn't be happening if they hadn't done that regardless of what the numbers/dollars are? You want to focus instead on arguing the stats of what you regard as anti-"immigration" groups with some kind of bias in this. Who cares what one's supposed motives are? The fact is that this is happening in our country over and over and it isn't pocket change.
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Old 01-15-2012, 08:19 AM
 
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Lets be reasonable. Regardless of nation of origin people of lower incomes who lack education tend to account for more births and more children in a family than educated higher income families. USA or mexico its the same. Why is this even being argued?

My sentiments exactly. At the end of the day, illegal presence, being poverty stricken with a 3rd grade education, a bun in the oven and 3 anchor babies fighting over who is going to push the stroller is not a recipe for success in America.
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Old 01-15-2012, 09:30 AM
 
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FAIR is not a reputable source. All of the operation costs of the Coast Guard and National Guard can't be attached to illegal immigration. You, and whomever titled the article you linked here ("$6 Billion a Year for Mexican "Anchor Babies?") also need to read a little better:

Tomasa Mendez's illegal immigrant parents are Guatemalan...

Of the family, only she is a U.S. citizen "Anchor Baby", the other two children (as of 2007) were brought from Guatemala. Who knows where the family is currently, almost five years after the original news article. For an update (of June 2007), look here.

A little looking, a little reading, would really do wonders for knowing what to believe...
Many Hispanic OTM's say they're "Mexican" to ICE when caught to avoid being dropped off in Guatemala and so on when deported. If they say that, I believe them till it's proven they're lying.
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Old 01-15-2012, 09:34 AM
 
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Hispanic fertility rates between 18 and 19 year old females are about 15% above that of non-hispanic blacks. Between 15 and 17 years old hispanic females are about 30% above non-hispanic blacks. Both groups are decreasing strongly.

The rational finding is that US poor have relatively high birtth rates...2.5 times non-hispanic whites. But close to each other. I would suspect in 20 years or less the hispanics will drop well below the blacks.

In the great American way the new immigrant group will pass the blacks by leaving them as the prime component of the poor.
We have too many poor people here. We need to slow down immigration from anywhere and especially Latin America till the the US gets better.
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:00 PM
 
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If it is a "reputable source", why are their numbers (the "6 Billion") differ from what yours would be? In the article, the cost per year is from the births of "Anchor Babies". The illegal alien birthrate is estimated to be 33 per 1,000 in population.

They have doubled the reported illegal alien population as being more agreeable to them (20 million illegal aliens in the United States). At 33 births per 1,000, that is 726,000 "Anchor Babies" per year by their estimates. A "normal" birth is appraised at between $6,000 to $8,000 (they select the average as $8,000 for some reason).

$8,000 multiplied by 726,000 births is $5.8 billion (they round up to $6 billion)...

So, if you say there are 50 million illegal aliens in the United States, wouldn't those figures be $13.2 billion instead? 33 births for every 1,000 of that population is 1.65 million ("Anchor") babies per year. That would be one-third of the births in the United States (the other 250 million Americans have a birthrate around 13 per 1,000 in population).

So a third of our babies are "Anchors"? How can that even make sense? What maternity ward would have those demographics?
Check how many births there are in California both to foreign born women and to women with less than a grade school education. That will show you where those maternity wards are. Also look at all the hospitals along the border where it's easy to get a "border crossing card" and come and give birth in the USA.
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:10 PM
 
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Hispanic fertility rates between 18 and 19 year old females are about 15% above that of non-hispanic blacks. Between 15 and 17 years old hispanic females are about 30% above non-hispanic blacks. Both groups are decreasing strongly.

The rational finding is that US poor have relatively high birtth rates...2.5 times non-hispanic whites. But close to each other. I would suspect in 20 years or less the hispanics will drop well below the blacks.

In the great American way the new immigrant group will pass the blacks by leaving them as the prime component of the poor.
The hispanic population and birth rate is NOT decreasing strongly. It is increasing strongly throughout the USA. Many cities are fast becoming majority hispanic - and that is NOT the result of people whose families have lived many generations in the USA such as New Mexicans or Tejanos all packing up and relocating to one city. Those people relocate the same as other Americans - as individuals and for reasons like job transfers but they do not move as entire neighborhoods. Also those who have lived many generations in the USA don't need services provided them in Spanish so that's another clue.

Hispanics that are poor are poor because they breed irresponsibly. That's whether they are back home in their own country, or here.

Another problem with the comparison of birth rates is the tendency of illegals to give birth at extremely young ages. If there are 33 births per 1000, many of those were girls below age 20. By age 30, many of them will be grandmothers, and the American women are just getting around to having their first baby at that point.

Illegals are not from the responsible portion of their country's people. They are not the ones who delay childbirth until after marriage or a job or a diploma. They cannot become middle class even where the cost of living is much lower than the US's for those reasons.

In Mexico if one remains in school, finishes school, obtains some job skills and a job and marries before starting a family, that individual stands a very good chance of joining Mexico's large and growing middle class.

We're getting those who choose the other route -- having children they can never afford back home because they make poor choices. Having 4 kids before age 20 is not going to get you middle class status here or there -- but here it brings in all kinds of welfare handouts which is the real reason illegals prefer to stay here even while our unemployment rates are double that of their own country.
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Old 01-15-2012, 01:38 PM
 
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The hispanic population and birth rate is NOT decreasing strongly. It is increasing strongly throughout the USA. Many cities are fast becoming majority hispanic - and that is NOT the result of people whose families have lived many generations in the USA such as New Mexicans or Tejanos all packing up and relocating to one city. Those people relocate the same as other Americans - as individuals and for reasons like job transfers but they do not move as entire neighborhoods. Also those who have lived many generations in the USA don't need services provided them in Spanish so that's another clue.

Hispanics that are poor are poor because they breed irresponsibly. That's whether they are back home in their own country, or here.

Another problem with the comparison of birth rates is the tendency of illegals to give birth at extremely young ages. If there are 33 births per 1000, many of those were girls below age 20. By age 30, many of them will be grandmothers, and the American women are just getting around to having their first baby at that point.

Illegals are not from the responsible portion of their country's people. They are not the ones who delay childbirth until after marriage or a job or a diploma. They cannot become middle class even where the cost of living is much lower than the US's for those reasons.

In Mexico if one remains in school, finishes school, obtains some job skills and a job and marries before starting a family, that individual stands a very good chance of joining Mexico's large and growing middle class.

We're getting those who choose the other route -- having children they can never afford back home because they make poor choices. Having 4 kids before age 20 is not going to get you middle class status here or there -- but here it brings in all kinds of welfare handouts which is the real reason illegals prefer to stay here even while our unemployment rates are double that of their own country.
Well stated. For those who support illegal immigration their motives for doing so are more likely than not because: (a) they are illegals; (b) a close family member is an illegal or (c) believe politically they will benefit greatly should "hispanics" become the majority.

Unfortunately, you are preaching to the choir. You have to wonder who they think will stick around to pay the taxes that subsidize them. But of course greedy politicians, along with uneducated, irresponsible masses who break into a country, cluelessly bring children into the world expecting free everything don't think that far ahead.

Definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
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