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Old 01-15-2012, 03:39 PM
 
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Why quibble that the entire operating costs of the Coast Guard are attributable to illegal immigration?...

FAIR says that is true, do you believe it?...

What is it when someone advances a number (50 million illegal aliens in the United States) that is not borne up by other statistics? Either the birthrate is dramatically off expectations, or their population number is wrong. Those that want to count illegal aliens for themselves can't even agree on a figure.

What is your reputable source that doesn't attribute the budget of the Coast Guard entirely to illegal immigration?...
Where did I claim that it did? I thought we were talking about the costs of anchor babies? Bait and switch in the middle of the subject?
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Old 01-15-2012, 03:43 PM
 
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Yeah, my "New Grandbaby" had a "foreign-born" mother, are you calling all Legal Permanent Resident mothers "illegal aliens" with "Anchor Babies"?...

How about posting some of those statistics you are seeing?...
For California:

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/data/statisti...-2009-0233.pdf

269,953 births to hispanics 2009
141,193 births to whites
28,611 births to blacks

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/data/statisti...-2005-0234.pdf

129,630 births to unwed hispanic mothers 2006
32,668 births to unwed white mothers
18,523 births to unwed black mothers

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/data/statisti...-2006-0236.pdf

56,782 births to mothers with less than 8th grade 2009
148,212 births to mothers with >8th grade <12 grade

Births to foreign-born mothers - Data Across States - KIDS COUNT Data Center

45% of births in California are to women not born in the USA.
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Old 01-15-2012, 03:44 PM
 
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Yeah, my "New Grandbaby" had a "foreign-born" mother, are you calling all Legal Permanent Resident mothers "illegal aliens" with "Anchor Babies"?...

How about posting some of those statistics you are seeing?...
No -- not all are here illegally obviously but a very very large number of them are.
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Old 01-15-2012, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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No -- not all are here illegally obviously but a very very large number of them are.
Prove it...

The burden of proof that "foreign-born" equates to no immigration status is on you...

Hispanics, unwed mothers, High School dropouts, none of the other categories you are using exclusively denote immigration status...

I don't want your opinion, or how many "very, very" statements you can make, prove it by credible sources...
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Old 01-15-2012, 05:00 PM
 
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Well let's HOPE that the laws on legal immigration at least aren't what's bringing in the unwed mothers, young teen mothers and food stamp and medicaid recipients -- of if they do, we've really got a problem.

Legal immigration should be about bringing in capable responsible types of people.
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Old 01-15-2012, 05:13 PM
 
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For California:

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/data/statisti...-2009-0233.pdf

269,953 births to hispanics 2009
141,193 births to whites
28,611 births to blacks

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/data/statisti...-2005-0234.pdf

129,630 births to unwed hispanic mothers 2006
32,668 births to unwed white mothers
18,523 births to unwed black mothers

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/data/statisti...-2006-0236.pdf

56,782 births to mothers with less than 8th grade 2009
148,212 births to mothers with >8th grade <12 grade

Births to foreign-born mothers - Data Across States - KIDS COUNT Data Center

45% of births in California are to women not born in the USA.
So what? Are you unaware that CA is minority majority? That by 2020 it is expected that Hispanics will be the largest group?

Are you unaware that Hispanics are on average much younger than whites or blacks? That there are almost 50% more Hispanic women of child bearing age?
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Old 01-15-2012, 06:03 PM
 
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So what? Are you unaware that CA is minority majority? That by 2020 it is expected that Hispanics will be the largest group?

Are you unaware that Hispanics are on average much younger than whites or blacks? That there are almost 50% more Hispanic women of child bearing age?
Yes and that almost half the births are to foreign born.

How many nations have a birth rate like that of foreign born -- where the foreign born are having a lot more births than the citizens?

And yes -- I actually agree with IBMMuseum on this -- the immigration laws are so very lax especially when it comes to family sponsorship of immigrant that many of the legal immigrants end up on Medicaid and food stamps.

We should beefen up our legal immigration laws as well, not so much with the work visa types of immigrants, they are not the problem because they tend to be educated and self-supporting but many immigrants being brought in by family members are worse than illegals. There is no education requirement and the notion that the sponsor will actually pay for his or her immigrants is a total joke. There is no requirement for the sponsor to actually pay any of the costs of the immigrants. No requirement that the sponsor provide a comprehensive health insurance plan or pay the hospital bills of his immigrants.

One important step would be to deport all immigrants - legal or illegal who show up to welfare offices to try to obtain food stamps or WIC and that don't pay their hospital and doctor bills. Or start garnishing the wages of the deadbeat sponsors who don't pay the costs of their immigrants.
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Old 01-15-2012, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Well let's HOPE that the laws on legal immigration at least aren't what's bringing in the unwed mothers, young teen mothers and food stamp and medicaid recipients -- of if they do, we've really got a problem.

Legal immigration should be about bringing in capable responsible types of people.
Well, you are wanting them to marry someone here - You had commented before that immigrants should not be able to sponsor someone like a spouse for immigration, even after they had naturalized, even if it wasn't from their native country, and even it was years later. Those "responsible type" immigrants would become citizens here, and you would treat them differently from the native-born (sometimes irresponsible) citizens.

Wow...
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Old 01-15-2012, 11:44 PM
 
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Yes and that almost half the births are to foreign born.

How many nations have a birth rate like that of foreign born -- where the foreign born are having a lot more births than the citizens?

And yes -- I actually agree with IBMMuseum on this -- the immigration laws are so very lax especially when it comes to family sponsorship of immigrant that many of the legal immigrants end up on Medicaid and food stamps.

We should beefen up our legal immigration laws as well, not so much with the work visa types of immigrants, they are not the problem because they tend to be educated and self-supporting but many immigrants being brought in by family members are worse than illegals. There is no education requirement and the notion that the sponsor will actually pay for his or her immigrants is a total joke. There is no requirement for the sponsor to actually pay any of the costs of the immigrants. No requirement that the sponsor provide a comprehensive health insurance plan or pay the hospital bills of his immigrants.

One important step would be to deport all immigrants - legal or illegal who show up to welfare offices to try to obtain food stamps or WIC and that don't pay their hospital and doctor bills. Or start garnishing the wages of the deadbeat sponsors who don't pay the costs of their immigrants.
If a legal immigrant qualifies for aid after five years, why do you want to deport them? Tell me where I said that family sponsorship was easy - Using our case as an example was exactly the opposite, I had the staff of both of my Senators involved at different times, and it still took longer to get my family into Legal Permanent Resident status than an 18-month advance notice of my military deployment.

If you can't treat a servicemember right, especially carrying out 15-month wartime deployments away from home, whom can you? We'll cover our own medical bills, and the hospital pays us twice for employment. But it's always a matter of costs to you - even when you make it up as you go along.

Having 15% of the population (and 20% of the workforce) as foreign-born has been fine before, it's a natural fit for America...

We've always been our own style of country, and don't have to model ourselves on other nations...
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Old 01-16-2012, 05:05 AM
 
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For California:

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/data/statisti...-2009-0233.pdf

269,953 births to hispanics 2009
141,193 births to whites
28,611 births to blacks

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/data/statisti...-2005-0234.pdf

129,630 births to unwed hispanic mothers 2006
32,668 births to unwed white mothers
18,523 births to unwed black mothers

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/data/statisti...-2006-0236.pdf

56,782 births to mothers with less than 8th grade 2009
148,212 births to mothers with >8th grade <12 grade

Births to foreign-born mothers - Data Across States - KIDS COUNT Data Center

45% of births in California are to women not born in the USA.
those are sobering statistics that should concern people--- and it will get worse.

california has done so much damage to itself with uncontrolled immigration, and it is now a tragedy for the country-as california represents (or did represent) 1/5 of the US economy.

for some really frightening statistics, look at this report:
Growth of Welfare Entitlements: Principles of Reform and the Next Steps.

look at the rising graphs of the costs of all these programs and i challenge anyone to tell me this is sustainable.

one-third of current immigrants lack a high school degree.

Most lawful low-skill immigrants gain permanent residence through kinship preferences within the legal immigration law. These preferences for their adult brothers, sisters, and parents tend to bring large numbers of low-skill immigrants into the U.S., increasing the fiscal strain on taxpayers.

About 15 percent of all welfare spending ($100 billion per year) goes to households headed by lower-skill immigrants who have a high school– level education or less. Assuming the ratio remains constant for the next decade, America will spend $1.5 trillion in welfare benefits on lower-skill immigrants.

This number is low compared to the trillions that would be spent if the current 11 million to 12 million illegal immigrants already residing in the U.S. were given amnesty. Less than 50 percent of them have high school degrees. Amnesty would make this population eligible for means-tested welfare as well as other government benefits. The cost to taxpayers would be devastating: Social Security and Medicare costs alone would be $2.6 trillion.

As the education level of native-born U.S. citizens gradually rises, there is a tendency, ceteris paribus, for welfare dependence to decline. However, massive low-skill immigration works in the opposite direction, replenishing welfare rolls and adding to costs. In addition, high levels of low-skill immigration tend to suppress the wages of less-skilled American workers, thereby adding to welfare costs within that group.

this is what our government is willing to do to our country-dump that cost THAT THEY ARE WELL AWARE OF on every single american man, woman, and child.

who is looking out for america?
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