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Old 01-12-2012, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Pa
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It's also a lot about the non-enforcement of the laws. Essentially it's very easy to cross illegally over the southern border, or obtain a visa to visit here but never choose to abide by the terms of the visa.

Crimes like felony document fraud, employing illegals are rarely -- VERY RARELY -- prosecuted so millions of people begin to believe it's okay to break these laws. It's like shoplifting, if the chances of getting caught and prosecuted were nil, then a lot more people would decide to go ahead and do it.
Bingo.
Why did big business begin to care about employee safety? It wasn't because the market demanded it. It is because laws were passes and in turn enforced. Penalties were stiff and it became more profitable to be in compliance than to ignore the law.
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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i have no doubt that what you're describing contributes to the employment problem, i just question how relevant it is nationwide. how do you explain high unemployment levels in areas where there are fewer illegal immigrants?

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Or relatively lower employment rates such as in Texas, which clearly has many illegals as well.

And how did unemployment get below 4% in the late 1990s, early 2000 when we still had tons of illegals and immigration rates were rising?
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Or relatively lower employment rates such as in Texas, which clearly has many illegals as well.

And how did unemployment get below 4% in the late 1990s, early 2000 when we still had tons of illegals and immigration rates were rising?
The rate is over 8% in Texas. The issue is larger than just the regional variations. It is a country-wide structural dilemma.

It is not an immigration issue so much as a political issue. We have the same group of people supporting two positions which are diametrically opposite in their outcome, and the end result ends up hurting them, and helping the very people they protest.
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Old 01-13-2012, 03:27 PM
 
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The rate is over 8% in Texas. The issue is larger than just the regional variations. It is a country-wide structural dilemma.

It is not an immigration issue so much as a political issue. We have the same group of people supporting two positions which are diametrically opposite in their outcome, and the end result ends up hurting them, and helping the very people they protest.
Not sure I see the opposed positions. There are two obvious ways to correct the problem. Deport or Regularize them. It would appear there is no workable way to deport them leaving Regularize as the possible way. The other outcome is do nothing.

Do nothing more come and the black market job stream becomes more deeply embedded in our society. Let it go long enough and it will turn irreversible. In fact it may already be...

Regularize is to avoid the pejorative "amnesty". And it need not be though it may evetually lead to it. Merely the right to work in return for registration.

So the approach potentially leads to an illegal population within the range that is controllable and perhapes to tools to stop the degradation of employment.

Can we screw it up? Certainly. If we can't get it contained fully we will again lose the war.

Then again doing nothing is a guaranteed loss.
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Old 01-14-2012, 10:06 AM
 
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Or relatively lower employment rates such as in Texas, which clearly has many illegals as well.

And how did unemployment get below 4% in the late 1990s, early 2000 when we still had tons of illegals and immigration rates were rising?
Check the unemployment rates all along the border, especially in a very large city like El Paso -- where the unemployment rate is well over the national rate even with billions of federal dollars pouring in to expand a military base and paying for construction and services galore.
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