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Old 01-22-2012, 01:02 PM
 
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When I returned to the US to live I got a job as a language specialist (that's uppity language for :interpreter) with the then, INS. I worked with them from 88 until 2000 and most of my work was done with USPB personnel and "deportation agents". These people have the most thankless and frustrating job you can possibly have. Each deportation agent had 100 to 150 active cases on their desks at all times. And in all of those cases the illegal is deportable. What happens next you won't believe.

The illegal is given a court appearance, with a American immigration lawyer, paid for by the US Government that's you and I. Half of the time the illegal makes bail. Do I need to tell you what he does? You know. It is far more difficult to find an illegal who has jumped bail than it is a normal American criminal and for obvious reasons. The American has habits he will surcome to like his mom or his wife etc. So you have a pretty good idea how to find him. But the illegal, for the most part, has no patterns that will indicate when he has gone or what he will do.

Next case scenario. The DA wins his case and the illegal is bound over for trial and held in custody. This guy is on his way back to where ever. Wait, his lawyer files an appeal and the whole thing starts over. If the guy makes bail on the strength of the appeal his MIA right then. If not he gets three meals a day and better living quarters than he had on the outside, for the most part anyway. Because the courts a clogged and the jails are full the appeal takes time. If he hasn't been released and gone MIA in his second appeal and he is found to be deportable...now for the second time by the courts he still has an appeal. I don't exactly remember how many but more than one. Now this jackass is costing us, the tax payer, a small fortune in upkeep and legal fees so very often he'll be released. By the time the agent has gone through all this there are 200 more cases on his desk and at least 1000 aliens have entered the US while he was spending time on one or 2 or maybe five cases. You see the problem? It's a never ending nightmare and some friends I have who are still at the INS or ICE tell me it's a little better but still bad.

Another tactic is to entice them to go back home. This is usually done with money. They go back home and turn right around and with some of that money they pay a coyote and come right back. And this is only a very very brief synopsis of the situation.

 
Old 01-22-2012, 02:19 PM
 
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The problem with giving amnesty is that it's completely unneccesary.

It's not as though the illegals who choosed to come here illegally and live and work here illegally are going to get angry if they don't get amnesty and pack up and move back home.

They aren't going to punish us for not giving them amnesty by leaving. They'll continue to stay here, they love the American money much more than they ever loved their own nation so the money will hold them here -- amnesty or no amnesty.
 
Old 01-22-2012, 02:48 PM
 
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So you are quite young. Figures...

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Both of which are reasonably complex frauds likely requiring some knowledge and skill to pay off. While I agree illegals may be recruited to provide bodies or SS numbers I doubt many are capable of mechinating such a fraud.


Sorry - One side of my family came from Ireland in the early 19th century. My father was born in the US in 1910...just over a hundred years ago.

You don't have enough dollars to pay the bill. It is not about to happen



Nope. Diplomats are immune to arrest. Even immune to parking tickets. That is because they are not under the jurisdiction. Invading troops would be in a similar situation were it to happen.


There are lots of papers that pronounce illegal aliens a net positive or around zero. You simply are reading only one side of the literature. I am very careful to read both sides...though with your views you will not care for that.
First you use a lame ploy of race baiting now it's my age, none of which has anything to do with the subject of illegal immigration.
Nice try with the I'm an Irishman gig as well. You blow your cover everytime you play the mexican race card.

That being said, you are entitled to believe whatever you choose about me. Unlike you, I have nothing to hide or lie about.

Olecapt, your game is old, tired and no longer amusing. In the future, if you expect to get a response from me, please stay on topic.
 
Old 01-22-2012, 03:01 PM
 
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First you use a lame ploy of race baiting now it's my age, none of which has anything to do with the subject of illegal immigration.
Nice try with the I'm an Irishman gig as well. You blow your cover everytime you play the mexican race card.

That being said, you are entitled to believe whatever you choose about me. Unlike you, I have nothing to hide or lie about.

Olecapt, your game is old, tired and no longer amusing. In the future, if you expect to get a response from me, please stay on topic.
Your inability to understand reality may well be due to youth.

Your points are easily refuted and then you turn to insults and absurd suggestions of some ethnic interest.

Perhaps you suffer from youth...
 
Old 01-22-2012, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Perhaps the pro-illegal side feel an amnesty is necessary because they have friends and families that stand to benefit from it.
People who use illegal drugs seem to feel we should legalize them.
Ask any underage drinker and they want the legal drinking age lowered.
Ask people charged with statutary rape and they want the age of consent lowered.
Ask a speeder they want speed limits raised.
Ask the families of these violators and they will argue in favor of such measures also.
We have one pro-illegal on the forum claiming that the number of legal immigrants from mexico is almost the same as those here illegally. How they might know the actual number of illegals is questionable at best. For the sake of arhument Ill accept the number as semi-valid. If thats true then its numbered in the millions successful immigrants from mexico. That would indicate that not only is it not impossible to come here legally but happens all the time. That would also indicate that the tired old argument of its too hard or impossible is nothing more than a lame excuse.
Then we hear that it would be to expensive to deport millions of illegals. That it would and I agree that it would be too expensive to deport them all. I disagree that we would need to.
Instead impose harsh penalties on businesses and home owners who knowingly hire illegals. Include prison time for those who do it. As labor laws are enforced business will adjust.
Its happened before. Child labor laws ended abuse of children.
OSHA safety laws forced business to make the work place more safe.
Illegals will self deport.
 
Old 01-22-2012, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...Another tactic is to entice them to go back home. This is usually done with money. They go back home and turn right around and with some of that money they pay a coyote and come right back...
Are you aware you just described Federal officers committing an illegal act? DHS may be giving you a call to find out more specifics. You've complained that an illegal alien just returns (as it is, Mexican illegal aliens are usually immediately released at the border without further detention anyway), and stated they are able to do it with the money from our officers.

No, the illegal alien returning doesn't make the officers' act illegal, it is that they are "bribing" the alien to take the release instead of remaining in custody. Is there other "encouragement" to accept Voluntary Departure that you are aware of? Where did you say that you had worked?
 
Old 01-22-2012, 03:58 PM
 
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Are you aware you just described Federal officers committing an illegal act? DHS may be giving you a call to find out more specifics. You've complained that an illegal alien just returns (as it is, Mexican illegal aliens are usually immediately released at the border without further detention anyway), and stated they are able to do it with the money from our officers.

No, the illegal alien returning doesn't make the officers' act illegal, it is that they are "bribing" the alien to take the release instead of remaining in custody. Is there other "encouragement" to accept Voluntary Departure that you are aware of? Where did you say that you had worked?
Some country in Europe did that: gave aliens living there, both legal and illegal some money if they would LEAVE. Not sure if it was Italy or Spain.
 
Old 01-22-2012, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Perhaps the pro-illegal side feel an amnesty is necessary because they have friends and families that stand to benefit from it.
People who use illegal drugs seem to feel we should legalize them.
Ask any underage drinker and they want the legal drinking age lowered.
Ask people charged with statutary rape and they want the age of consent lowered.
Ask a speeder they want speed limits raised.
Ask the families of these violators and they will argue in favor of such measures also.
We have one pro-illegal on the forum claiming that the number of legal immigrants from mexico is almost the same as those here illegally. How they might know the actual number of illegals is questionable at best. For the sake of arhument Ill accept the number as semi-valid. If thats true then its numbered in the millions successful immigrants from mexico. That would indicate that not only is it not impossible to come here legally but happens all the time. That would also indicate that the tired old argument of its too hard or impossible is nothing more than a lame excuse...
Since you have identified me specifically as "pro-illegal" (not a correct identifier at all) I will respond: It's true, Mexicans immigrate at very close rates, about 48% legally, and 52% illegally. I seem to have been the only one that has been inside the U.S. Consulate at Juarez, it's a madhouse, with 800 to 1000 Immigrant Visas (or 'K'-class visas) completed daily, on every weekday that is not a Mexican or American holiday.

On your other claim: It's not true. I'm not aware of any relationship within my family that links me to an illegal alien. There is no one that a have met in that status (why did some immediately think that had to be of a certain skin-tone?), so it even extends out to friends and acquaintances.

Hopefully you can be aware that my advocacy comes from other places, and is not necessarily what you think it is...
 
Old 01-22-2012, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Some country in Europe did that: gave aliens living there, both legal and illegal some money if they would LEAVE. Not sure if it was Italy or Spain.
I'm not aware of some of the constraints for those countries, but in the United States the comment described Federal officers in an illegal act...
 
Old 01-22-2012, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Since you have identified me specifically as "pro-illegal" (not a correct identifier at all) I will respond: It's true, Mexicans immigrate at very close rates, about 48% legally, and 52% illegally. I seem to have been the only one that has been inside the U.S. Consulate at Juarez, it's a madhouse, with 800 to 1000 Immigrant Visas (or 'K'-class visas) completed daily, on every weekday that is not a Mexican or American holiday.

On your other claim: It's not true. I'm not aware of any relationship within my family that links me to an illegal alien. There is no one that a have met in that status (why did some immediately think that had to be of a certain skin-tone?), so it even extends out to friends and acquaintances.

Hopefully you can be aware that my advocacy comes from other places, and is not necessarily what you think it is...
never gave a name to the poster and 100% dont care why you feel we owe illegals a free pass.
I have been to the consulate in Bangkok which processes a fair amount of VISA's. I fail to see what relevance this has in regards to an amnesty. My other claim. Shrug I said perhaps as in its a possibility. I guess that there are some in the world who feel that if you reward criminal behavior that it would be a deterrent for more of the same.
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