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Old 01-25-2012, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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All these expenses would exist without illegal immigrants. You also have to include the cost of identifying an illegal. I will go with the perspective of business experts but you can try again. At least our leaders seem to think economically it is not feasible.
Try again. If amnestied, we will be supporting illegals forever. Not to mention, the magnet another amnesty would create for millions more to come here illegally. Why don't you post those costs?

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The cost of amnesty: $999 billion.
The cost of attrition by enforcement: as little as $14 billion
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Amnesty would cost up to 70 times as much as enforcing existing law.
Amnesty Costs 70 Times More Than Enforcement | NumbersUSA - For Lower Immigration Levels

Amnesty's Huge Retirement Costs | NumbersUSA - For Lower Immigration Levels

The Medicaid Costs of Legalizing Illegal Aliens | Center for Immigration Studies
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Old 01-25-2012, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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And how much would we save in medical, educational, and welfare costs?
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Old 01-25-2012, 08:47 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Wages going to Americans vs illegals?
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Old 01-25-2012, 08:58 AM
 
Location: California
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There's really not much to read from the link as the entire claim is but 4 paragraphs long, all it does is link to 4 reports which make the claims. And if you actually read the OP it states future illegal aliens, not actually the ones here now. The first link states for the ones here now:
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If all unauthorized immigrants were removed from the United States, the country would lose $551.6 billion in economic activity, $245 billion in Gross Domestic Product (GDP), and approximately 2.8 million jobs, even accounting for adequate market adjustment time, according to a 2008 report by the Perryman Group.26
The second report from Hinojosa, if you actually read it, nullifies the first report as it claims an increase in GDP by legalization. The third claim links to another Hinojsa report which uses immigrant information and then deducts the percentage they claim as being from illegal aliens. He claims that they will have increased wages if legalized (Which actually lowers overall GDP) which contradicts the claims of the other reports used. The last report nullifies Hinojosas claims of over 2.7M illegal alien workers in CA alone, this report only claims there are 1.85M illegal aliens in the work force in CA and that there are 2.7M total in the State. All these reports simply cancel each other out, none have a definitive proof of anything.
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Old 01-30-2012, 03:23 AM
 
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Try again. If amnestied, we will be supporting illegals forever. Not to mention, the magnet another amnesty would create for millions more to come here illegally. Why don't you post those costs?


Amnesty Costs 70 Times More Than Enforcement | NumbersUSA - For Lower Immigration Levels

Amnesty's Huge Retirement Costs | NumbersUSA - For Lower Immigration Levels

The Medicaid Costs of Legalizing Illegal Aliens | Center for Immigration Studies

Right! And here we are back to quoting those racist organizations. Isn't Numbers USA the statistics that track down the children, grandchildren and so forth... So, even if the grandchildren are citizens somehow they are still a burden on society. Their tax dollars do not count. Okay then... I believe you now.
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Old 01-30-2012, 06:23 AM
 
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Right! And here we are back to quoting those racist organizations. Isn't Numbers USA the statistics that track down the children, grandchildren and so forth... So, even if the grandchildren are citizens somehow they are still a burden on society. Their tax dollars do not count. Okay then... I believe you now.
Numbers USA is racist? Even IF they were which I doubt; sometimes what they say IS the full truth.

With so many people out of work; those jobs that open up with illegal aliens removed WOULD cut down our jobless rate a lot.
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Old 01-30-2012, 06:32 AM
 
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Right! And here we are back to quoting those racist organizations. Isn't Numbers USA the statistics that track down the children, grandchildren and so forth... So, even if the grandchildren are citizens somehow they are still a burden on society. Their tax dollars do not count. Okay then... I believe you now.
What makes you say that they are racist organizations? Based on what? What race are they racist against?
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Old 01-30-2012, 08:38 PM
 
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If this were true, you'd think their own countries would be trying to get them back but that is most definitely not the case.

Mexico for example is doing much better without millions of it's people, in fact Mexico's middle class is growing at a good pace while ours is shrinking.
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Old 01-31-2012, 08:41 AM
 
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What makes you say that they are racist organizations? Based on what? What race are they racist against?
Ya, when did illegal become a race?
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Old 01-31-2012, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Right! And here we are back to quoting those racist organizations. Isn't Numbers USA the statistics that track down the children, grandchildren and so forth... So, even if the grandchildren are citizens somehow they are still a burden on society. Their tax dollars do not count. Okay then... I believe you now.
I am sure you're familiar with the term "generational welfare." So yes, the children, grandchildren, and even great-grandchildren of illegals may indeed be a burden to taxpayers.

Please support your accusations of racism. I would like to know why an organization such as NumbersUSA is "racist" for simply espousing a reduction in immigration; which, by the way, does not target any particular race or ethnicity, rather immigration in general. Given our massive levels due to illegal immigration, their position is quite justified. After all, we currently have record unemployment and a suffering economy. So, why on earth should we continue to allow non-citizens to compete in the job market, or burden taxpayers?

In case you don't know, the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is included among "Other Immigration Sources" by Pew Hispanic, the pro-illegal gospel. Do you actually believe they would promote a racist organization? Sorry, but it is not racist to report the truth. You don't have to like it, but it is what it is.

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Other Immigration Sources

The Mexican Migration Project is a multidisciplinary research effort between investigators in Mexico and the United States that study the Mexican immigrant experience. The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is a research and policy analysis organization that focuses on the impact of immigration on the United States. CIS publishes reports on legal immigration and illegal immigration. The Migration Dialogue provides nonpartisan information and analysis of international migration. The Center for Migration Studies publishes International Migration Review, a quarterly journal on migration issues. The Migration Policy Institute (MPI) is dedicated to the study of the movement of people worldwide and publishes reports on the Migration Information Source. The Urban Institute's Immigration Studies Program studies the impact of U.S. Immigration. Georgetown University's Institute for the Study of International Migration, focuses on all aspects of international migration. The Brookings Institution published several pieces on immigration in the U.S. and has links to other research. The National Conference of State Legislatures' Immigrant Policy Project provides legislative research and analysis on immigration policy issues.
Attitudes toward Immigrants and Immigration Policy: Surveys among Latinos in the U.S. and in Mexico | Pew Hispanic Center

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...T0fv9Aa-1CcQqA

In addition, reports by CIS are promoted by other Hispanic organizations. . .

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A new report by the Center for Immigration Studies, "Deportation Basics: How Immigration Enforcement Works (or Doesn't) in Real Life," discusses the ground-level process of what is now called 'removal proceedings' and the issues that surround it. The report is available at Deportation Basics | Center for Immigration Studies. July 2011
Reports and Publications: Consortium for Latino Immigration Studies

Yes, CIS is just oozing with racism. You should get your facts straight before you launch baseless accusations of racism against people or organizations simply for reporting on illegal immigration. Stop following the pro-illegal script, and do your own research. Otherwise, you'll simply appear ignorant and sheepleish.
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