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Old 02-01-2012, 04:34 PM
 
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Young immigration activists are planning a rally in Las Vegas on Thursday to protest a military-only version of the Dream Act that has been endorsed by both Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich, which they call "insulting."

"We want to make sure that they're not running on this platform," Erika Andiola, an organizer of the rally, told Yahoo News.
Students plan to confront Gingrich, Romney in Nevada on military-only Dream Act | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

Someone please explain how people who are living in this country illegally have this much gall. They consider it "insulting" to offer them legalization and a path to citizenship for serving in our military? No, their arrogance and lack of gratitude is what's insulting.
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Old 02-01-2012, 05:00 PM
 
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Newt-Romney has the same amnesty immigration policy as Obama. Progressive Open Borders proponants all.
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Old 02-01-2012, 05:00 PM
 
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Students plan to confront Gingrich, Romney in Nevada on military-only Dream Act | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

Someone please explain how people who are living in this country illegally have this much gall. They consider it "insulting" to offer them legalization and a path to citizenship for serving in our military? No, their arrogance and lack of gratitude is what's insulting.
It sure is. I don't get how Romney and Gingrich can even propose such a program anyways. It was announced last week that our defense budget will be cut by millions within the next 5 years and 100,000 troops will be eliminated.
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Old 02-01-2012, 05:42 PM
 
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It sure is. I don't get how Romney and Gingrich can even propose such a program anyways. It was announced last week that our defense budget will be cut by millions within the next 5 years and 100,000 troops will be eliminated.
Both are clearly pandering, just like Obama. They're too afraid of the Hispanic vote to vow to enforce our laws. Does it really matter who wins if they're all offering illegals a form of amnesty? Rather than telling these ingrate illegals to go home, they're trying to see who can offer the most appealing "reform." What a spineless, sickening group.
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Old 02-01-2012, 06:20 PM
 
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Students plan to confront Gingrich, Romney in Nevada on military-only Dream Act | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

Someone please explain how people who are living in this country illegally have this much gall. They consider it "insulting" to offer them legalization and a path to citizenship for serving in our military? No, their arrogance and lack of gratitude is what's insulting.
Hey illegal aliens: just go home. You just being here is INSULTING.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:20 AM
 
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I agree with this version of the so-called dream act. But I go further and call for military service for ALL Americans between the ages of 18 and 24.This, while not the only solution, is one solution that will decrease crime in the streets, build responsible and disciplined people with character. People up to age 30 if arrested and convicted of felony charge with the exception of murder, rape and drug sales, have the option to enlist for a 5 year term (with certain conditions) or serve their whole sentence in a state for federal correction institution. This will help to clean up our streets and give young people a sense of earned entitlement.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:30 AM
 
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I agree with this version of the so-called dream act. But I go further and call for military service for ALL Americans between the ages of 18 and 24.This, while not the only solution, is one solution that will decrease crime in the streets, build responsible and disciplined people with character. People up to age 30 if arrested and convicted of felony charge with the exception of murder, rape and drug sales, have the option to enlist for a 5 year term (with certain conditions) or serve their whole sentence in a state for federal correction institution. This will help to clean up our streets and give young people a sense of earned entitlement.
I totally disagree. No Dream Act, ever! The reasons why have already been explained in here over and over. I already posted the fact that our defense budget is going to be cut by millions in the next five years and 100,000 troops eliminated. So military service is just another type of job that they would be competing for against American citizens.

We would decrease our crime in the streets by removing all incentives for illegals to remain here or to continue to come here. It isn't our responsibility to build character for these illegals brough here by their parents. That was their parent's responsibility and they haven't exactly been role models.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:40 AM
 
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I totally disagree. No Dream Act, ever! The reasons why have already been explained in here over and over. I already posted the fact that our defense budget is going to be cut by millions in the next five years and 100,000 troops eliminated. So military service is just another type of job that they would be competing for against American citizens.

We would decrease our crime in the streets by removing all incentives for illegals to remain here or to continue to come here. It isn't our responsibility to build character for these illegals brough here by their parents. That was their parent's responsibility and they haven't exactly been role models.

What percentage of crime in the US is committed by aliens? In Chicago we are breaking records of young people being killed because of violence. They are not aliens they are US born citizens who have few ties to any other society. Why are they killing each other and innocent bystanders? Because they have no understanding of the danger of fire arms until it is too late, they have no discipline, they have no moral compass to keep them from committing crime. They are a danger to society. That will all be taken care of in at least 85% of the inductees within the first 3 months of their service to their country.

The citizen army has shown great results. They don't speak German or Japanese in Kansas City do they. The very expensive volunteer army has not shown the results it should for the price we are paying. Bring back the draft. two tears for inductees,, four years for aliens, 5 years for convicted criminals. Cut military salaries from what they are today. Crime won't go down by the cosmetic gesture of simply deporting illegals. Crime is a national problem in a society with no respect for the rights of ALL of its members.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:18 AM
 
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What percentage of crime in the US is committed by aliens? In Chicago we are breaking records of young people being killed because of violence. They are not aliens they are US born citizens who have few ties to any other society. Why are they killing each other and innocent bystanders? Because they have no understanding of the danger of fire arms until it is too late, they have no discipline, they have no moral compass to keep them from committing crime. They are a danger to society. That will all be taken care of in at least 85% of the inductees within the first 3 months of their service to their country.

The citizen army has shown great results. They don't speak German or Japanese in Kansas City do they. The very expensive volunteer army has not shown the results it should for the price we are paying. Bring back the draft. two tears for inductees,, four years for aliens, 5 years for convicted criminals. Cut military salaries from what they are today. Crime won't go down by the cosmetic gesture of simply deporting illegals. Crime is a national problem in a society with no respect for the rights of ALL of its members.
All of our military branches have met their recruitment objectives. Therefore, we don't need illegal aliens or other non-citizens to join our military. In fact, I have a friend whose son received a perfect score on his Air Force exam, and he still had to wait over a year before he could enter.

This proposal is simply an attempt to gain support from Hispanic voters and illegal alien apologists. Otherwise, why would they offer a military option that is clearly unnecessary?


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Each of the U.S. military’s service branches met its active-duty recruitment and retention goals for the first quarter of fiscal 2011, the Department of Defense said.

Through December the Army surpassed its first quarter goal of 14,100 by 433 recruits, with the Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force all meeting their recruiting goals or exceeding them. The Marine Corps Reserve surpassed its goal by the largest percentage with 116 percent, pulling in 2,637 recruits, 71 more than its goal.
All branches meet military recruiting goals - News - Stripes

This was true even in 2009. . .

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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Fresh recruits keep pouring into the U.S. military, as concerns about serving in Iraq and Afghanistan are eclipsed by the terrible civilian job market.

The Department of Defense said Tuesday that all branches of the armed forces, including the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps, met or exceeded their active duty recruiting goals for January, continuing a trend that began with a decline in the U.S. job market.

This is despite more than 4,800 American soldiers, Marines and sailors dying in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
Military continues to meet recruiting goals, in spite of war - Feb. 10, 2009

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(Reuters) - Aided by a bleak job market, the U.S. military met all of its recruitment goals in the past year for the first time since it became an all-volunteer force in 1973, the Pentagon said on Tuesday.
Bleak U.S. job market boosts military recruitment | Reuters
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Old 02-02-2012, 11:45 AM
 
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What percentage of crime in the US is committed by aliens? In Chicago we are breaking records of young people being killed because of violence. They are not aliens they are US born citizens who have few ties to any other society. Why are they killing each other and innocent bystanders? Because they have no understanding of the danger of fire arms until it is too late, they have no discipline, they have no moral compass to keep them from committing crime. They are a danger to society. That will all be taken care of in at least 85% of the inductees within the first 3 months of their service to their country.

The citizen army has shown great results. They don't speak German or Japanese in Kansas City do they. The very expensive volunteer army has not shown the results it should for the price we are paying. Bring back the draft. two tears for inductees,, four years for aliens, 5 years for convicted criminals. Cut military salaries from what they are today. Crime won't go down by the cosmetic gesture of simply deporting illegals. Crime is a national problem in a society with no respect for the rights of ALL of its members.
It was you that mentioned crime. I just replied to what you said. Obviously, the less people there are in this country the less crime there will be. That is just an undeniable fact.

As I said, our defense budget is going to be cut by millions in the next five years and 100,000 troops eliminated. Therefore, all those military jobs should be given to American citizens. I am sure there are enough of them that want them.
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