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Old 02-02-2012, 02:50 AM
 
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IMMIGRATION POLICY CENTER

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HOW THE CONTRACTING AND TRANSACTION PROVISIONS IN ALABAMA’S IMMIGRATION LAW MAKES LIFE HARDER FOR EVERYONE

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Since passage of HB 56, Alabama’s extreme new immigration law, many are aware of the most immediate consequences of the law—rotting tomatoes, racial profiling, and frightened school children. However, two provisions of the law that have the potential to be extremely damaging to the state’s economy, rule of law, and municipal functioning have received comparatively little attention. These two provisions have been in effect since September 30,, 2011, and are likely to result in an increase of exploitation of workers, erosion of fundamental legal protections, and denial of access to state and local government services and activities. In other words, these provisions will undoubtedly impact the daily lives of all Alabamians.


http://http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/docs/Friedland_-_Alabama_Contracts_and_Business_110111_0.pdf (broken link)
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:18 AM
 
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IMMIGRATION POLICY CENTER

Turning off the water:
HOW THE CONTRACTING AND TRANSACTION PROVISIONS IN ALABAMA’S IMMIGRATION LAW MAKES LIFE HARDER FOR EVERYONE





http://http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/docs/Friedland_-_Alabama_Contracts_and_Business_110111_0.pdf (broken link)
If crops were rotting on the vines that is the farmer's fault. There are unlimited visas for agricultural workers.

There is no racial profiling law and no proof that is what Alabama LE is doing. That is just pro-illegal propaganda.

Enforcing immigration laws is damaging to the rule of law? Does that make any sense at all? As for the state's economy, their unemployment rate has dropped since many illegals left. Americans in turn taking back those jobs are contributing to the state's economy and tax coffers once again. Frightened school children? Why would that be since the school's administrative offices were merely going to collect data on the costs of educating illegal aliens? They were not going to report illegal alien kids or their families to ICE.

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"These two provisions have been in effect since September 30,, 2011, and are likely to result in an increase of exploitation of workers, erosion of fundamental legal protections, and denial of access to state and local government services and activities. In other words, these provisions will undoubtedly impact the daily lives of all Alabamians".

This statement above makes no sense at all and I don't see any explanation as to how they came to that conclusion.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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IMMIGRATION POLICY CENTER

Turning off the water:
HOW THE CONTRACTING AND TRANSACTION PROVISIONS IN ALABAMA’S IMMIGRATION LAW MAKES LIFE HARDER FOR EVERYONE



http://http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/docs/Friedland_-_Alabama_Contracts_and_Business_110111_0.pdf (broken link)
Correction: Makes life harder for the unscrupulous peddlers and profiteers of illegal immigration. Good!
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Old 02-02-2012, 10:45 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Selling illegal goods, or goods illegally is nothing new. Just as hiring someone illegally may benefit the scum willing to shortcut.

The farmers weren't passing along the savings to consumers.
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Old 02-02-2012, 11:11 AM
 
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I think everyone would agree that there would be a transition phase between enforcing this law and getting back to a level playing field within the industries that were affected. Just like someone else mentioned in the thread: anyone who suffered from the enforcing of these laws only has themselves to blame. Why should anyone feel sorry for people who broke the law and now have to scramble and work to figure out how to do things right? This is like many other things and events that happen in our world that require people to pull up their boots and figure things out. I'm sure these farmers or restaurant owners are feeling pretty stupid right now and I'm sure the thought that they should have hired legally has ran across their minds many times. Serves them right and you hope they learned their lesson.

To add, I really haven't noticed a change in any produce costs or anything like that.
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna.
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As long as Billy-Bob and Bobbie-Bob are sitting in front of TV guzzling beer in their skivvies and wondering why they can't have it both ways ... why their union cards won't get them into the Workers' Paradise any longer ... the problems are going to continue.

The immigration issue is the ultimate proof of the irrational and contradictory expectations that Madison Avenue and the media machines have foisted upon American society,and there is no painless answer. It's all about who ultimately pays the bill.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:05 PM
 
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As long as Billy-Bob and Bobbie-Bob are sitting in front of TV guzzling beer in their skivvies and wondering why they can't have it both ways ... why their union cards won't get them into the Workers' Paradise any longer ... the problems are going to continue.

The immigration issue is the ultimate proof of the irrational and contradictory expectations that Madison Avenue and the media machines have foisted upon American society,and there is no painless answer. It's all about who ultimately pays the bill.
Not really comprehending what you are trying to say here. Why the reference to a "redneck" type of lifestyle? You do know that most Americans aren't rednecks, don't you? What does this have to do with illegal immigration per se? Most Americans aren't in a union anymore. They are willing to work for a fair wage, however not some cutrate wage that the illegals are gettiing.
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:42 AM
 
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As long as Billy-Bob and Bobbie-Bob are sitting in front of TV guzzling beer in their skivvies and wondering why they can't have it both ways ... why their union cards won't get them into the Workers' Paradise any longer ... the problems are going to continue.

The immigration issue is the ultimate proof of the irrational and contradictory expectations that Madison Avenue and the media machines have foisted upon American society,and there is no painless answer. It's all about who ultimately pays the bill.
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Not really comprehending what you are trying to say here. Why the reference to a "redneck" type of lifestyle? You do know that most Americans aren't rednecks, don't you? What does this have to do with illegal immigration per se? Most Americans aren't in a union anymore. They are willing to work for a fair wage, however not some cutrate wage that the illegals are gettiing.
Chi's right. I understand times being hard but having to fight ILLEGAL ALIENS for work is flat wrong.
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Old 02-03-2012, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna.
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Not really comprehending what you are trying to say here. Why the reference to a "redneck" type of lifestyle? You do know that most Americans aren't rednecks, don't you? What does this have to do with illegal immigration per se? Most Americans aren't in a union anymore. They are willing to work for a fair wage, however not some cutrate wage that the illegals are gettiing.
What I am saying is; "Too many Americans, on both sides of the political spectrum, are economicaly ignorant -- trying to have it both ways." Neither party has the guts to embrace the facts, and Madison Avenue surely has no incentive to deal with the issue either.

In the end, supply and demand will rule. Back in 1930, politicians tried to cure the stock market crash with a high tariff, and the real Great Depression began.

The global economic picture is telling us that we have to do more of our own dirt-work; it's not that we did anything wrong ... just that some of our competitors wised up. And labor unions, which are merely tryng, with government sanction, (Wagner Act) to do what would land the leaders of any other busness in jail (restraint of trade) arre losing grouind world-wide.

Can't have it both ways .... it's just that simple.
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Old 02-03-2012, 04:14 PM
 
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What I am saying is; "Too many Americans, on both sides of the political spectrum, are economicaly ignorant -- trying to have it both ways." Neither party has the guts to embrace the facts, and Madison Avenue surely has no incentive to deal with the issue either.

In the end, supply and demand will rule. Back in 1930, politicians tried to cure the stock market crash with a high tariff, and the real Great Depression began.

The global economic picture is telling us that we have to do more of our own dirt-work; it's not that we did anything wrong ... just that some of our competitors wised up. And labor unions, which are merely tryng, with government sanction, (Wagner Act) to do what would land the leaders of any other busness in jail (restraint of trade) arre losing grouind world-wide.

Can't have it both ways .... it's just that simple.
So, in otherwords there is nothing we can do about corruption aka illegal alien labor in this country because of "supply and demand" so we should just roll over and accept the violation of our labor and immigration laws. No, thanks I will choose to fight and so will millions of other Americans. It's just that simple.

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