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Old 02-06-2012, 12:20 PM
 
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Note especially: Section 4. Cancellation of removal of certain long term residents who entered the United States as children.

This specifically gives the Sec. of DHS (a.k.a Big Sis) the authority to cancel deportation for certain "long term residents" ( previously known as illegal aliens) fitting specific criteria. Please go to the link as it will not allow me to copy & paste.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:28 PM
 
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Note especially: Section 4. Cancellation of removal of certain long term residents who entered the United States as children.

This specifically gives the Sec. of DHS (a.k.a Big Sis) the authority to cancel deportation for certain "long term residents" ( previously known as illegal aliens) fitting specific criteria. Please go to the link as it will not allow me to copy & paste.
And of course it will be considered inhumane to not allow their illegal parents to remain here also aka "separation of famlies". I think we are all smart enough to see the handwriting on the wall.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:29 PM
 
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Yep, it's the DREAM Act light. Or, more appropriately called the Nightmare Act.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:31 PM
 
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Yep, it's the DREAM Act light. Or, more appropriately called the Nightmare Act.
Why the heck is a GOP member, Dave Rivera (R) FL-25, the sponsor?
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:32 PM
 
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Why the heck is a GOP member, Dave Rivera (R) FL-25, the sponsor?
I think the clue is obious in your above sentence.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:36 PM
 
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I think the clue is obious in your above sentence.
Rivera. Bingo!
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:38 PM
 
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I was trying to be PC folks, not judge by one's last name and be labeled a racist.

Seriously though, is Rivera a hispandering activist for the GOP similar to Gutierrez (D-IL) is for the DNC? Do we have a La Raza operative in the House GOP?
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:02 PM
 
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I was trying to be PC folks, not judge by one's last name and be labeled a racist.

Seriously though, is Rivera a hispandering activist for the GOP similar to Gutierrez (D-IL) is for the DNC? Do we have a La Raza operative in the House GOP?
Most likely. He has probably received lots of pressure from La Raza, et al., and doesn't want to be considered a "coconut" or traitor to "his people." But, it's interesting that he would propose a military option, given our current recruitment level. All branches have met or exceeded their recruitment goals since 2009, despite the death toll in Iraq and Afghanistan. Clearly, we don't need illegals.
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:18 PM
 
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Most likely. He has probably received lots of pressure from La Raza, et al., and doesn't want to be considered a "coconut" or traitor to "his people." But, it's interesting that he would propose a military option, given our current recruitment level. All branches have met or exceeded their recruitment goals since 2009, despite the death toll in Iraq and Afghanistan. Clearly, we don't need illegals.
Honestly I've never had a problem with military service being a path to citizenship following service (not less than 5 yrs.). However, from Sec. 4 of this ARMS Act, this clearly deals with much more than just those who have served but gives children who have been in the US for at least 5 years and were brought by parents illegally when they were under the age of 16, or those judged by the Sec. of DHS to be of "good moral character" (undefind broad interpretation), to be included as a class worthy of non-deportation despite immigration law.

I would agree that as long as our military is not turning away able bodied/minded citizens whom wish to serve in favor of aliens seeking citizen through military service, that aliens, illegal or otherwise, could be recruited if and only if the need were there for lack of warm bodies. It would seem disingenuous at best that an illegal alien could take a military oath to uphold the US Constitution and actually be sincere.
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:46 PM
 
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Honestly I've never had a problem with military service being a path to citizenship following service (not less than 5 yrs.). However, from Sec. 4 of this ARMS Act, this clearly deals with much more than just those who have served but gives children who have been in the US for at least 5 years and were brought by parents illegally when they were under the age of 16, or those judged by the Sec. of DHS to be of "good moral character" (undefind broad interpretation), to be included as a class worthy of non-deportation despite immigration law.

I would agree that as long as our military is not turning away able bodied/minded citizens whom wish to serve in favor of aliens seeking citizen through military service, that aliens, illegal or otherwise, could be recruited if and only if the need were there for lack of warm bodies. It would seem disingenuous at best that an illegal alien could take a military oath to uphold the US Constitution and actually be sincere.
I'll have to disagree with you here. If we have a shortage of American enlistees we can implement the draft again. No way should those here in our country illegally whether their parents brought them here or not should they gain the priviledge of being in our military to gain legal status or citizenship.

I pointed out in other posts that there is a 5 year plan in place to cut defense spending by millions and to cut 100,000 troops. As Benicar asked what do we need illegals for?
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