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Old 02-08-2012, 12:37 PM
 
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Breaks my heart. I want an advocate for those of us that feel like our paychecks are being raped by our own government. Where's that advocate?

We go out and we work hard and this is where our money goes? We get to know that our hard work is for this? So that illegal immigrants can keep their WIC checks and "food stamp" cards? Or that an illegal immigrants kid gets to stay here and go to free school?

Also, WHY does the President get this much power? What's going to happen when he is out of office? All of these appointments will remain and we will have to deal with the bad decisions of one President forever. Of course, I'm not saying that we don't have to go through that with other Presidents, but that's my point: how is it that Presidents can just appointment NEW positions whenever they feel like it? What is the process of this? Someone educate me, please. Because it is kind of scary that a President can just wake up one morning and decide that they either a) want to appoint a new position or b) go along with the suggestion of someone else to create said position.
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:01 PM
 
Location: California
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This is going to be nothing more than a sounding board for illegals to air their grievances and convince those on the other side of the table that they should be allowed to stay in the US. I don't see why illegals should have a committe to "argue" their case. Illegals have been shown nothing BUT civility, tolerance, financial support and protection by the government at the taxpayers expense.
we all agree.




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Isn't it the law that if you are illegal in the US you are committing a crime? Now they want to ask what the enforcement policies are regarding the crime they have committed? They don't know? The policy is deportation and if it means that their children return with them so be it.
1) Yes, Crime for EWI or Violation for visa overstay; 2 - etc) You missed what Annemieke Roell was implying.
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Old 02-08-2012, 06:37 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Arjay51, softblueyze, and Benicar, you 3 have mis-read what Annemieke Roell actually says.
For us as a nation to help these people go back where they came from shows we are civilized.
Annemieke Roell is advocating for the removal of these people and their children back to where they came from also indicating that the children are not born US citizens, thus we are a civilized nation for not separating them from one another.
Again, bull. Help them return? We did not ask them here or help them come here. The "born here" nonsense should not make any difference. Can they take care of themselves when their illegal parents are not here?

Then, once again, perhaps they should not be here. It is not "civilized" to cut our own throats.
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Old 02-08-2012, 07:36 PM
 
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"New Advocate for immigrant concerns with law enforcement"

Obama thinks the police acted stupidly and so he has created another job: Illegal Alien Czar
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Old 02-08-2012, 07:53 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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The same could be said of any citizen criminal. Aren't they also "human beings?" I am sure many steal or deal drugs out of desperation. But, we don't ignore their crimes, do we? And, I would venture to say, many also have children who were born in this country. Again, do we ignore their lawlessness, and refuse to arrest and prosecute, for the sake of their U.S. citizen children? Of course not! So, please explain why we should treat foreign interlopers differently.

I think one part says it best. In no way ever, should we ignore the lawlessness of any criminal. Illegals included.
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Old 02-09-2012, 06:17 AM
 
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"Rep. Lamar Smith, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said that meant elevating the concerns of illegal immigrants".

"It's outrageous that the Obama administration has appointed a taxpayer-funded activist for illegal and criminal immigrants who are detained or ordered deported. The administration all too often acts more like a lobbying firm for illegal immigrants than as an advocate for the American people," Mr. Smith, Texas Republican, said".

Administration names official advocate for illegal immigrants - Washington Times

All aliens in custody of ICE are not illegal immigrants some could be legal
immigrants who have been given notice to appear for violating immigration
laws some could be fighting for humanitarian parole and probably came legally
There is nothing wrong in providing an advocate for aliens in custody. Thre have been several aliens who died in custody or have been denied medical care So providing an advocate will help them reach officers of ICE for their grievances
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Old 02-09-2012, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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All aliens in custody of ICE are not illegal immigrants some could be legal
immigrants who have been given notice to appear for violating immigration
laws some could be fighting for humanitarian parole and probably came legally
There is nothing wrong in providing an advocate for aliens in custody. Thre have been several aliens who died in custody or have been denied medical care So providing an advocate will help them reach officers of ICE for their grievances
Did you bother to read the article?

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Mr. Smith said that when Congress created the Homeland Security Department, it specifically created an advocate's position for those in the legal immigration process, but it declined to create one for illegal immigrants, who the courts have regularly ruled are not entitled to the same protections as citizens and legal residents.

Even as it has set a record for deportations, the Obama administration has taken steps to try to give illegal immigrants more rights within the deportation system and has instructed prosecutors to drop cases against many of those detained as illegal immigrants.
This "committee" is being set up for illegal immigrants.

One can only wonder what the nature of the cases will be that will get dropped.


What an odd thing to say:
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illegal immigrants, ... the courts have regularly ruled are not entitled to the same protections as citizens and legal residents.


Yet they are protected when the government continuously finds ways to provide and protect them.

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Old 02-09-2012, 07:42 AM
 
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Did you bother to read the article?



This "committee" is being set up for illegal immigrants.

One can only wonder what the nature of the cases will be that will get dropped.


What an odd thing to say:


Yet they are protected when the government continuously finds ways to provide and protect them.
I guess you need to study immigration law Anyone who is in ICE custody
whether he is a legal immigrant or illegal immigrant is prosecuted under the same law Washington Times is a pro conservative paper and is just twisting the facts
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:36 AM
 
Location: California
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Again, bull. Help them return? We did not ask them here or help them come here. The "born here" nonsense should not make any difference. Can they take care of themselves when their illegal parents are not here?

Then, once again, perhaps they should not be here. It is not "civilized" to cut our own throats.
Bull? The "born here non-sense"? I thought the point was even if the children were born here they should be sent back with the parent(s) and they should not be recognized as US born citizens. It is "civilized" to not separate families as suggested by Annemieke Roell, keeping them together in their home nations is what many want.

What you seem to be implying is that these children will be taken care of by the US here if their parent(s) are deported because you think these children are US Citizens, thus the parent(s) need to stay here with their US Citizen children and should not be deported. This would be cutting our own throats.
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:47 AM
 
Location: California
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I guess you need to study immigration law Anyone who is in ICE custody
whether he is a legal immigrant or illegal immigrant is prosecuted under the same law Washington Times is a pro conservative paper and is just twisting the facts
Maybe you should try reading what is being discussed. You are way off what this is about, as softblueyz pointed out, it is a committee created to find ways to circumvent immigration laws for illegal aliens, prosecutorial discretion comes to mind.

Because you can't argue on the merits of the point you have to resort to stating: Washington Times is a pro conservative paper and is just twisting the facts
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