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Old 02-14-2012, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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The settlement appears to be the largest ever paid by the United States in a lawsuit over residential immigration raids, and the first to include compensation as well as immigration relief, according to Mark Pedulla, a Yale law student who was involved in representing the plaintiffs.

“They hope to be able to offer an example of what can happen when you stand up for your rights,” Pedulla said.

DeStefano tightened his embrace of newcomers in December by announcing a proposal to extend voting rights to illegal immigrants and other noncitizens.
US to pay $350,000 to settle lawsuit over 2007 immigration sweep in New Haven, Conn. - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/us-to-pay-350000-to-settle-lawsuit-over-2007-immigration-sweep-in-new-haven-conn/2012/02/14/gIQAMpRFER_story.html - broken link)

Apparently crime does pay. That is, if you're an illegal alien. Where other than the U.S. can people violate immigration laws, steal identities, use fake documents and then when their house is raided, not only receive a settlement at taxpayers' expense, but also be rewarded with a stay of deportation and legalization? I'm only surprised their children weren't offered college scholarships.
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Old 02-14-2012, 07:16 PM
 
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US to pay $350,000 to settle lawsuit over 2007 immigration sweep in New Haven, Conn. - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/us-to-pay-350000-to-settle-lawsuit-over-2007-immigration-sweep-in-new-haven-conn/2012/02/14/gIQAMpRFER_story.html - broken link)

Apparently crime does pay. That is, if you're an illegal alien. Where other than the U.S. can people violate immigration laws, steal identities, use fake documents and then when their house is raided, not only receive a settlement at taxpayers' expense, but also be rewarded with a stay of deportation and legalization? I'm only surprised their children weren't offered college scholarships.
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Old 02-14-2012, 07:21 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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I too would also like to know where else, besides the good old USA. Other Coutries not so stupid as us.
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:47 PM
 
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Can just see them laughing at how stupid Americans are, man our government just spends money like no tomorrow. Illegally here in the first place and they win.

I think the better job in America is to be an illegal.
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:08 PM
 
Location: California
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The "immigrants" didn't win anything, the DHS/ICE has decided to drop litigation and settle based on costs. The "immigrants will get to split maybe 30 - 50% of the money, the lawyers and groups representing them will get the majority of monies 50 - 80%.

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In June 2009, a federal judge ruled that agents violated the constitutional rights of four immigrants in the raids. Immigration Judge Michael Straus said the ICE agents went into the immigrants’ homes without warrants, probable cause or their consent, and he put a stop to deportation proceedings against the four defendants, whose names were not released.
Five of the plaintiffs were still facing deportation proceedings, but those will be halted as part of the settlement agreement, Pedulla said.
This is false, the federal judge never ruled on anything the case was still being determined as of 2009 Diaz-Bernal v. Dep’t of Homeland Sec. This immigration judge is stopping the deportation hearings against these 9 immigrants, this does/will not change their status as illegal aliens.

This case will not set any precedent for immigration rights, it will encourage DHS/ICE to train and plan a bit better in the future, provided there is a future for ICE pending the new budget proposal as offered by the President and Democrats.

The best scenario for the ruling from 2009 is this: Ahmad said the government had argued that immigrant law precludes the case from being heard. The court rejected that claim, he said. It’s true that certain parts of immigration law limit the powers of courts to try ICE agents, Ahmad said. “But the court found that the argument the government made was overbroad.
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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The "immigrants" didn't win anything, the DHS/ICE has decided to drop litigation and settle based on costs. The "immigrants will get to split maybe 30 - 50% of the money, the lawyers and groups representing them will get the majority of monies 50 - 80%.

This is false, the federal judge never ruled on anything the case was still being determined as of 2009 Diaz-Bernal v. Dep’t of Homeland Sec. This immigration judge is stopping the deportation hearings against these 9 immigrants, this does/will not change their status as illegal aliens.

This case will not set any precedent for immigration rights, it will encourage DHS/ICE to train and plan a bit better in the future, provided there is a future for ICE pending the new budget proposal as offered by the President and Democrats.

The best scenario for the ruling from 2009 is this: Ahmad said the government had argued that immigrant law precludes the case from being heard. The court rejected that claim, he said. It’s true that certain parts of immigration law limit the powers of courts to try ICE agents, Ahmad said. “But the court found that the argument the government made was overbroad.
They shouldn't "settle" with illegal aliens, period. If they only receive 1% of the total, it is more than they deserve. They should all be deported, and there should be no "immigration relief" whatsoever.
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Old 02-15-2012, 02:46 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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The "immigrants" didn't win anything, the DHS/ICE has decided to drop litigation and settle based on costs. The "immigrants will get to split maybe 30 - 50% of the money, the lawyers and groups representing them will get the majority of monies 50 - 80%.

This is false, the federal judge never ruled on anything the case was still being determined as of 2009 Diaz-Bernal v. Dep’t of Homeland Sec. This immigration judge is stopping the deportation hearings against these 9 immigrants, this does/will not change their status as illegal aliens.

This case will not set any precedent for immigration rights, it will encourage DHS/ICE to train and plan a bit better in the future, provided there is a future for ICE pending the new budget proposal as offered by the President and Democrats.

The best scenario for the ruling from 2009 is this: Ahmad said the government had argued that immigrant law precludes the case from being heard. The court rejected that claim, he said. It’s true that certain parts of immigration law limit the powers of courts to try ICE agents, Ahmad said. “But the court found that the argument the government made was overbroad.
A settlement is considered a win. It just means they didn't want to drag it out any longer in the courts. If a couple gets divorced and the wife is asking for $50 million and the husband offers $25 million and she accepts it, it's a win for her.

Part of the settlement included that deportation would be halted. Halted is just a fancy way of saying they will not be deported. 9 of them will not be deported.

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Immigration Judge Michael Straus said the ICE agents went into the immigrants’ homes without warrants, probable cause or their consent, and he put a stop to deportation proceedings against the four defendants,

Five of the plaintiffs were still facing deportation proceedings, but those will be halted as part of the settlement agreement, Pedulla said.
The problem is, is that as Americans we have to do everything lawfully, in spite of the subjects breaking the law and being in the country illegally and probably not paying taxes, working off the books, their children getting a free education, all of them getting free medical care, welfare because they have anchor babies, filing income tax returns and getting a check, and most importantly, protected by the government while breaking the law. Maybe illegals should consider remaining illlegal otherwise they wouldn't be "special" and lose those great benefits that the taxpayer provides. Go figure.
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Old 02-15-2012, 10:35 AM
 
Location: California
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A settlement is considered a win. It just means they didn't want to drag it out any longer in the courts. If a couple gets divorced and the wife is asking for $50 million and the husband offers $25 million and she accepts it, it's a win for her.
A civil settlement is not considered a win, settlements are not used in/as precedent. Besides, your analogy is flawed, maybe the husband offered her 25M and she wanted/asked for the 50M, through the hearing she (her lawyer) determined it would be in her best interest to take the 25M or risk getting nothing.

The IJ is allowing the halting of their deportations on the fact that due to the civil settlement they should not have been in front of the immigration authorities at all. This is what could be considered a win for the illegals themselves. Had the AG not settled, then they could be on hold as per the IJ, possibly, until the conclusion of their civil suit, and depending on the outcome could have then been deported.
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Old 02-16-2012, 04:18 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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A civil settlement is not considered a win, settlements are not used in/as precedent. Besides, your analogy is flawed, maybe the husband offered her 25M and she wanted/asked for the 50M, through the hearing she (her lawyer) determined it would be in her best interest to take the 25M or risk getting nothing.

The IJ is allowing the halting of their deportations on the fact that due to the civil settlement they should not have been in front of the immigration authorities at all. This is what could be considered a win for the illegals themselves. Had the AG not settled, then they could be on hold as per the IJ, possibly, until the conclusion of their civil suit, and depending on the outcome could have then been deported.
Talk about flawed. You are contradicting yourself.
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Old 02-16-2012, 10:31 AM
 
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Talk about flawed. You are contradicting yourself.
These immigrants were in 2 different cases, the civil case involved the settlement, their immigration case involved their deportations to be dropped. The immigration case is what would be considered the win, while the civil case was simply settled and holds no precedent.

Learn the difference between the 2 cases and which is which, at least attempt to comprehend my comment above.
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