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Old 03-02-2012, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...Incidentally I am a Native American under any reason definition as I was born here...
So "Anchor Babies" are also Native Americans?...

 
Old 03-02-2012, 01:32 PM
 
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So "Anchor Babies" are also Native Americans?...
When illegals stop using the argument that they gave birth here therefore they get to ignore our immigration laws and stay here even after we asked them to leave then we'll stop calling their kids anchor babies.

You understand that's what's meant by the term, right?



An anchor baby is someone who has parents who are illegals. That's a perfectly legitimate term.

As for me personally what part of my relatives were legal immigrants and I am a native and therefore not comparable to illegal migrants do you not get?

Do you think Mexican nationals should have the right to ignore American immigration laws and come here without permission? Do you think that once here they should be allowed to collect food stamps, use housing assistance and demand that Americans learn Spanish or provide said illegals with publically paid for interpreters?

Because most illegals do.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Illegal Immigrants. Ask the Native Americans. You are all hypocrites and are the descendants of illegal immigrants. Of course back then they where called Pioneers and Explorers but it's the same difference.
Mexicans who sneak across the border or Russians who come here without any sort of papers are the same thing as a Daniel Boone? You might be stretching things just a tiny bit.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 02:32 PM
 
Location: California
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It was also his first wife, and three young children that were killed in the same raid (while the men were away from their camp)...
Atleast you know the basic information.

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And not defined as "his territory" (there is still a mixed message from YOu whether it was just land use, or what was regarded as their own nation), as he wasn't the head of his own tribe, but later became a leader of different bands coming together...
As War Chief was he not assigned to protect his tribe(s)? Wouldn't that make it his territory, too?

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Which brings up the point of whether settlers coming into an area are making a treaty with the true figurehead, or an opportunist...
Which settlers are you now referring? Or are you taking other points and now attempting to incorporate them into Geronimo?



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For the time of Geronimo, Mexican, not Spanish, and American, not French or British...
When his mother, wife, and children were killed it was by Mexicans (Spanish who simply changed the name of their country and took upon a new nationality). Try re-reading the sentence I stated, it was Spanish Conquest that began his (context: his - as in his peoples, his tribes, his nations) warring (Mexicans were still generational Spanish to include, his prior to birth, tribes warring with the Spanish from the late 17th century), not British or French. As you point out, later the Americans became involved around 1860, when miners attacked a band of his people.


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We have some people here saying to hit the history books, when the right nations aren't even referenced correctly...
So you really have no argument, and can only attempt to point out something that has virtually no bearing on anything, because you didn't comprehend what was stated. As a history buff, you already know this as I do.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 02:34 PM
 
Location: California
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So "Anchor Babies" are also Native Americans?...
Your definition of American is taking out of context the definition as used. Nice game change though.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 03:49 PM
 
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No, I am implying as the OP did: anti-illegals are all hypocrites, this very country was derived by illegal occupation but of course by European standards, they were known as "Pioneers".

That's the actual premise of this thread.

OP:
All's fair in love and war.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 06:06 PM
 
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So "Anchor Babies" are also Native Americans?...
Till the 14th is changed or at least looked at again by the courts to NOT allow US born kids of 2 illegal alien parents to be US citizens.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Originally Posted by Eleanora1 View Post
When illegals stop using the argument that they gave birth here therefore they get to ignore our immigration laws and stay here even after we asked them to leave then we'll stop calling their kids anchor babies.

You understand that's what's meant by the term, right?



An anchor baby is someone who has parents who are illegals. That's a perfectly legitimate term.

As for me personally what part of my relatives were legal immigrants and I am a native and therefore not comparable to illegal migrants do you not get?...
I was responding to YOur comment that, by birth here, YOu are a "Native American". "Anchor Babies" (I am not objecting to the usage of the term) are also born here. If the term "Native American" means someone born here (the term only reflects the person, not their parents), aren't "Anchor Babies" (as well as everyone else born here) also "Native Americans" under that definition?

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...Do you think Mexican nationals should have the right to ignore American immigration laws and come here without permission? Do you think that once here they should be allowed to collect food stamps, use housing assistance and demand that Americans learn Spanish or provide said illegals with publically paid for interpreters?

Because most illegals do.
The very act of immigrating my Mexican National family legally shows that I do not think that about illegal immigration. Our actions since immigrating them shows that we do not think that about any government benefits. My Mexican National family has become immersed in English since immigrating here, and use it as their primary language now.

Sadly, my son was natively Spanish-speaking, and has now gone to failing his High School Spanish language class...

I just don't understand why YOu are in such a shrill drama to vent on someone that doesn't meet those expectations...
 
Old 03-02-2012, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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The US was founded by learned scholars, farmers, doctors, plantation owners and businessmen. I don't think there were any immigration laws violated when the Pilgrims settled.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 06:51 PM
 
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Most illegals are Mexicans who are at least partially descended from the Spanish who raped and murdered. They have no business in this country. They certainly have no moral right to demand access to American citizenship or tax dollars. American laws are not subject to veto by Mexican nationals.
There are a lot of Mexicans living in my apartment complex, and I don't know of a single one of them who fit that description. By the way, many of them actually pay taxes but aren't represented in our legislatures because they have no voting rights. So they can hardly veto anything.


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My ancestors did not rape or pillage or murder anyone. I'm sick of those who would imply otherwise.
How do you know they didn't? And whether or not they did, they were still a part of the flotilla that came here and disenfranchised the Native American of their land.

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I swear to god just about the least likeable thing about illegals is their arrogance.
I take it that you believe that your arrogance is likeable.
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