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Old 03-07-2012, 12:21 AM
 
Location: Earth. For now.
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Do people here realize that English will NEVER be "THE" official language of the US? Do you realize that the US Supreme Court has already ruled on this?

Americans have the right to speak the language of their choice. That's a guarantee of the First Amendment.

Why?

Because the Constitution guarantees that THE PEOPLE of the United States determine the language. NOT law NOR decree. If the people shift towards Spanish, then THAT will be the majority language. The burden is upon all of us to understand each other. If that requires us to learn another language, then that's what needs to be done.

There is NOTHING in the Constitution that says or decrees that English is any sort of official language. It doesn't matter how many States try to make English "official." And in nearly every case, those State laws are merely symbolic and not legally binding anyway.

The language of the United States is the language of its peoples. If they can't understand each other then THE PEOPLE need to learn how to communicate with each other. It is NOT by government decree.

Republicans - of all people - should support the idea that the government cannot tell us how we communicate with each other! It's none of government's business. The best we can do is provide services for ALL people regardless of language. And thus we should supply services in any language spoken within our borders

We CAN encourage people to communicate in a common language. And English is a reasonable choice. But we cannot REQUIRE by government fiat that everybody communicates in a single language. That's virtually Communistic.

 
Old 03-07-2012, 12:46 AM
 
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Yes keep living in the Stone Age , it's 2012 now and things have changed, Get over it !!!
How has it changed? There were idjuts back then who opposed immigrantion just as they do today.

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And you are wrong on so many points, we DID NOT have 20 million Illegal Aliens then.
We don't today, eighter. It's more like 12 million, but so what? You people always brag on how the U.S. is this shining city on a hill, but apparently you have a problem sharing it with anyone who is NOT you.

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And who we AMERICANS are as a people is that we respect the laws and despise freeloaders and leeches, something totally lost on (Illegal) "immigrants" of today.
That's an interesting claim, considering that most of them come here to WORK, and that the number of "legitimate Americans who are "freeloaders" likely far outnumbers the number of illegal immigrants that do the same.
 
Old 03-07-2012, 12:49 AM
 
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Do people here realize that English will NEVER be "THE" official language of the US? Do you realize that the US Supreme Court has already ruled on this?

Americans have the right to speak the language of their choice. That's a guarantee of the First Amendment.

Why?

Because the Constitution guarantees that THE PEOPLE of the United States determine the language. NOT law NOR decree. If the people shift towards Spanish, then THAT will be the majority language. The burden is upon all of us to understand each other. If that requires us to learn another language, then that's what needs to be done.

There is NOTHING in the Constitution that says or decrees that English is any sort of official language. It doesn't matter how many States try to make English "official." And in nearly every case, those State laws are merely symbolic and not legally binding anyway.

The language of the United States is the language of its peoples. If they can't understand each other then THE PEOPLE need to learn how to communicate with each other. It is NOT by government decree.

Republicans - of all people - should support the idea that the government cannot tell us how we communicate with each other! It's none of government's business. The best we can do is provide services for ALL people regardless of language. And thus we should supply services in any language spoken within our borders

We CAN encourage people to communicate in a common language. And English is a reasonable choice. But we cannot REQUIRE by government fiat that everybody communicates in a single language. That's virtually Communistic.
Republicans don't actually mind big government as long as it supports their agenda.
 
Old 03-07-2012, 07:14 AM
 
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And you know of a humane way of sending 12 million illegals back home that won't cost us more (economically, socially, and politically) than letting them stay and become productive members of society, right? I find it odd that conservatives are so non-protectionist when it comes to outsourcing jobs, but are so protectionist when it comes to social issues. I guess they aren't happy unless they have a boogeyman to rail against.
E-verify, cut off ALL bennies unless they can PROVE being here legal, check legality of school kids, check legality for EVERYONE if stopped by the cops for another offense and so on. MOST illegal aliens will go back home and the rest will shut up.
 
Old 03-07-2012, 07:19 AM
 
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Erm. I am assuming here that you believe that Romney will beat Obama in Novermber. Good luck with that.

As for it being outdated, fortunately, we all know that is not true. Immigration is a large part of what has kept our economic engine running. That is why this poem is enshrined on the Statue of Liberty in the first place. Furthermore, that statue was the first thing a lot of immigrants to this country saw when they entered the country. It has been a shining beacon to the world since they first installed it. It is an important part of who we are as a people. Even so, I'm not surprised that so-called patriotic conservatives in this country now believe it to be "outdated".
So you are of the belief that the poem on the Statue of Liberty meant it is ok to come here illegally rather than legally? You keep mentioning "immigrants". Immigrants are those who do the latter not the former and yes they have been an asset to this country. Illegal aliens? No, they have been a burden to our country.
 
Old 03-07-2012, 07:23 AM
 
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Erm, if there were more rich Democrats than Republicans, the latter wouldn't be so stridently against more taxes for the rich. Are you suggesting that the Republicans are opposed to these tax increases as a favor to Democrats? Really?

And as I recall, one of the most ardent supporters of amnesty was the previous president who, not suprisingly, was a Registered Republican.
I am all for the rich paying their fair share of taxes. However, they are the job creators and if they are taxed too much they won't create jobs. Yes, Bush was for amnesty but it got shot down by the Republicans in congress.

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Old 03-07-2012, 07:34 AM
 
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Do people here realize that English will NEVER be "THE" official language of the US? Do you realize that the US Supreme Court has already ruled on this?

Americans have the right to speak the language of their choice. That's a guarantee of the First Amendment.

Why?

Because the Constitution guarantees that THE PEOPLE of the United States determine the language. NOT law NOR decree. If the people shift towards Spanish, then THAT will be the majority language. The burden is upon all of us to understand each other. If that requires us to learn another language, then that's what needs to be done.

There is NOTHING in the Constitution that says or decrees that English is any sort of official language. It doesn't matter how many States try to make English "official." And in nearly every case, those State laws are merely symbolic and not legally binding anyway.

The language of the United States is the language of its peoples. If they can't understand each other then THE PEOPLE need to learn how to communicate with each other. It is NOT by government decree.

Republicans - of all people - should support the idea that the government cannot tell us how we communicate with each other! It's none of government's business. The best we can do is provide services for ALL people regardless of language. And thus we should supply services in any language spoken within our borders

We CAN encourage people to communicate in a common language. And English is a reasonable choice. But we cannot REQUIRE by government fiat that everybody communicates in a single language. That's virtually Communistic.
Making English the official language does not mean that people cannot speak in any other language! This is such a common misconception, especially amongst people who have an underlying agenda of bringing about a bilingual English/Spanish society.

All official English would mean is that the taxpayer would no longer be forced to pay for government documents to be printed in umpteen different languages nor be forced to pay for translators, except in the case where health and safety were factors.

I don't know about your ancestors, but when mine came here at first, before they learned English (which didn't take them 20+ years to do!), if they needed a translator, THEY provided their own! They didn't walk into a government building, or into a hospital, doctor's office, etc., and demand that taxpayer-funded translators be provided!

This is basically all making English the official language would do! It would NOT preclude people speaking to each other in their native languages! It wouldn't even prevent private businesses from using multiple languages! However, it would send a strong message to people coming here that they are strongly encouraged to learn the official language of the U.S. which would be English. Again, nobody would be forced. However, if they wanted to vote, apply for government services, etc., it would be done in English.

That is all this means. I don't know where you come up with the idea that official English means some kind of "Communistic/totalitarian" system! After all, almost every nation on this earth has an official language, including most South of our border. And nobody is accusing any of them of implementing a "Communist" agenda! Since when is it up to the citizens of a country to learn foreign languages to accomodate foreigners?
 
Old 03-07-2012, 07:42 AM
 
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How has it changed? There were idjuts back then who opposed immigrantion just as they do today.



We don't today, eighter. It's more like 12 million, but so what? You people always brag on how the U.S. is this shining city on a hill, but apparently you have a problem sharing it with anyone who is NOT you.



That's an interesting claim, considering that most of them come here to WORK, and that the number of "legitimate Americans who are "freeloaders" likely far outnumbers the number of illegal immigrants that do the same.
Hardly anyone I know of opposes LEGAL immigration in reasonable numbers. It is illegal immigration that we are opposed to. Why do you continue to blur the lines between legal and illegal? Race card pulling duly noted also.

Here's what you don't get. No foreigner can come here to work without permission from our government. We have millions of Americans out of work. We don't need all these illegal aliens here occupying jobs that our citizens need. If you think they are all here just to work then you are badly mistaken. They know all they have to do is produce a couple of anchor babies and they don't have to work.
 
Old 03-07-2012, 08:55 AM
 
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Hardly anyone I know of opposes LEGAL immigration in reasonable numbers...
From "reasonable" places...
 
Old 03-07-2012, 09:11 AM
 
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From "reasonable" places...
Reasonable places? Reasonable would be numbers that we can accomodate in jobs and resources while keeping diversity in mind. Apparently it is the diversity part that you have a problem with.
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