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Old 03-09-2012, 01:44 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Gemdiver View Post
They are called illegal aliens.
Yes they are.

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"1. an illegal immigrant.

No complaints here.

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2. a criminal.
Technically this is true. It is also true that if a person is trying to get his or her family out of a terrible national situation in another country (i.e., a national drug war where tens of thousands are being killed), whether it be economic, political, or social, as a responsible parent, they certainly are going to try to get their family into a better environment. They'd be negligant, if not criminal not to. Again, walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you through stones at them.

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3. an individual criminally pretending to be a citizen of a nation for economic gain and/or political subterfuge in said nation, and lacks loyalty to said nation.

This is a poor definition of an illegal alien. Try again.

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4. a selfish and/or cowardly person unwilling to positively change the socio-economic and political problems in his/her own country in order to benefit everyone, including him/herself, and thus runs away to another country to hide.
This is not a viable definition of an illegal alien. This is an attempt to use a personal opinion based on ignorance of a person's status in their home country and ignorance of their personal status as a blanket statement about all illegal aliens. You could no more know what any one illegal alien's status is in their home country than you can know their personal status, much less that of an entire group.

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5. a loser. By violating a country's immigration laws illegal aliens (illegal immigrants) prove themselves to be criminals by disrespecting the laws of the country they are trespassing into. And also by such action(s) illegal aliens (illegal immigrants) also prove that they do not believe in the rule of law.

Again, this is nothing more than an attempt to paint all illegal aliens with a broad brush stroke, as if doing so with make the ignorance of the statement true.

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Illegal aliens (illegal immigrants) often try to proclaim they have civil rights equal to the citizens, of the nation they have trespassed. They do not have civil rights outside of their respective countries of origin except by international treaties.
All human beings are afforded civil rights under the U.N. convention on human rights, of which the Unites States is a signatory. By your reasoning, one could take an illegal alien out in the desert, torture, rape, and then murder them and the law could do nothing about it. Sorry, dude, nothing could be further from the truth. They are still human beings and still have rights even though you would prefer that they didn't have any rights at all.

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Illegal immigrants (illegal aliens) proclaim they pay income taxes to the government. They cannot do so as they do not have legitimate tax payer ids with which to do so. The tax payer ids illegal immigrants (illegal aliens) use are stolen - e.g. identity theft."
Some illegal aliens have obtained real social security numbers, albeit likely by fraudulent means (i.e., they lied on the form). At any rate, if the government collects taxes from them, they are paying taxes. And you are benefitting from those taxes.

 
Old 03-09-2012, 01:49 AM
 
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Illegals are not immigrants. If you can be deported you are not here permanently. Therefore you are not an immigrant but a transient. And, in their case, a criminal. Whether they are here legally is the entire point. If they are here illegally and working that means they are in violation of multiple American laws including those governing taxes and employment. Or do you think foreign nationals should get to override not only our immigration laws but our employment laws as well?

I vote. Illegals don't. Pols might want to remember that.
There is a simple, far less painful, and more cost-effective solution. Legalize them on a case by case basis, particularly the ones who have been here for many years. Far better to do to that than spend untold billions and risk being seen by the world as a fascist nation by trying to round them up like cattle and tossing them out, all 12 million of them.
 
Old 03-09-2012, 01:51 AM
 
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In other words you have nothing. Either back your ludicrous accusations with actual evidence or apologize to me.

You seem to think that your extremely poor attitude towards your fellow human beings is worthy of an apology from me for calling you a bigot. Think again. Not going to happen.
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