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Old 02-23-2012, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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Soooooo, how can an Explorer, Pioneer be considered an illegal when it wasnt even a recognized country at the time? We are now an established country, just like Mexico and we really should adopt Mexico's immigration policy.

 
Old 02-23-2012, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Native Americans from Mexico used to sacrifice humans to appease their God's. The Mayans were savage. Yet you passed your darn laws and chastised us because we wanted to engage in the same actions today. You are all hypocrites.

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Jeff Dahmer and Ted Bundy and MDK.
Denzel Washington in Cry Freedom (a fantastic movie), as Steven Biko: "Well, what do YOu call YOur World War 1 and World War 2?"...
 
Old 02-23-2012, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...We are now an established country, just like Mexico and we really should adopt Mexico's immigration policy.
How about adopting Mexico's tourist policies too?...
 
Old 02-23-2012, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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That injustice was made right before most of us were born so it means nothing now.
Do we tell young Blacks that everything prior to the late 1960's should be of no concern to them?...
 
Old 02-23-2012, 12:48 PM
 
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Do we tell young Blacks that everything prior to the late 1960's should be of no concern to them?...
Of course! Living in the past serves no purpose and we have come a long ways from the past in terms of racism. Only those (and that applies to every race) who want to keep racism alive so they can play victim today want to wallow in the past.
 
Old 02-23-2012, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Do we tell young Blacks that everything prior to the late 1960's should be of no concern to them?...
I prefer to learn from the past, but not dwell on it. Living in the past only leads to bitterness and resentment, which accomplishes absolutely nothing. The past is dead, and there is nothing that will change it. What would happen if you focused your attention solely on what's in your rearview mirror, rather than the road ahead?
 
Old 02-23-2012, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Of course! Living in the past serves no purpose and we have come a long ways from the past in terms of racism. Only those (and that applies to every race) who want to keep racism alive so they can play victim today want to wallow in the past.
One of the most sickening aspects of this illegal immigration nightmare is that it has severely eroded the racial strides so many fought and died for; all for the sake of cheap labor.
 
Old 02-23-2012, 01:11 PM
 
Location: California
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Is there a difference in what they are by terminology?...

Read more about what YOu are calling a "moratorium", it wasn't a grandfathering clause set from the time of immigrating, but a single year that the entire area was allowed to adjust to Mexican law...

Mexicans immigrating here are absolutely correct on the definition until they are naturalized here, they are Mexican Nationals...
According to the Mexican Law at the time, yes, an indentured servant wasn't a slave. Read more...? Slavery wasn't outlawed in Mexican Texas until 1830 (9 years after Mexican Independence, yet it was stated under Spanish and Mexican law - Colonization Laws: allowing colonists of any religion to settle in Texas but prohibited the importation of slaves into Spanish/Mexican territory. All slaves brought to the area would be freed. They were not freed immediately as the colonists had 1 year to set them free). In Mexico it was 1829 when Bustamante's edict outlawing slavery all together was pushed. It was Bustamante that ended slavery in Texas in 1830 by ordering all slaves to be freed, at the same time he also outlawed US Citizens from migrating to Texas.

From 1821 when Austin obtained permits for settlers, Austin got each head of a family 640 acres in his own right, 320 acres in virtue of his wife, 160 acres for each child, and 80 acres for each slave. Article 30 of the (Imperial Colonization) law, by inference, permitted immigrants to bring slaves into the empire but declared children of slaves born in Mexican territory free at the age of fourteen and prohibited domestic slave trading, a limitation that was sometimes evaded.
MEXICAN COLONIZATION LAWS | The Handbook of Texas Online| Texas State Historical Association (TSHA)
 
Old 02-23-2012, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Without an aspect of "illegality", there also cannot be a reference to "legality"...

And "Ellis Island" is an extremely limited context of immigration. In fact it is more specifically European immigration, denoting that "other than European" was not as ideal of immigrants. I've said it before, the view is here is that we got our most ideal immigrants at a time of no immigration law, and our best citizens when there were minimal or no requirements to naturalize.

What I find most amazing, is an unwillingness to condemn any part of that society, when most members here belong to a social class (or more than one) that didn't have full citizenship rights (to vote) just 100 years ago...
And, what I find most amazing is your willingness to live in the past. This is the year 2012, and ALL citizens 18 and older have voting rights, with the exception of convicted criminals in some states.

As for "ideal" immigrants, any immigrant who is here with permission, abides by our laws, and is a contributing member of society, I consider ideal. And, that includes any race, nationality or ethnicity.

Sadly, the ethnocentric want only THEIR group of immigrants to live in this country, and believe they should receive preferential treatment, despite violating our immigration laws and numerous criminal statutes. For them, ethnicity trumps all; even if it results in the demise of this country.
 
Old 02-23-2012, 01:48 PM
 
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I prefer to learn from the past, but not dwell on it. Living in the past only leads to bitterness and resentment, which accomplishes absolutely nothing. The past is dead, and there is nothing that will change it. What would happen if you focused your attention solely on what's in your rearview mirror, rather than the road ahead?
Excellent response. Especially your last sentence.
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