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Old 03-12-2012, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Denver
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The difference being, these "immigrants" don't have a right to be here. So, why should we be expected to wait for the 3rd generation to assimilate? And, why should we be forced to pay billions annually to accommodate people who are here in violation of our laws? Not to mention, illegals have no intentions of assimilating. Sadly, unlike others, they don't have to.
"illegals have no intentions of assimilating" you know what millions of people's intentions are? That's quite a skill. Can you tell me where people intend to buy real estate next?

 
Old 03-12-2012, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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"illegals have no intentions of assimilating" you know what millions of people's intentions are? That's quite a skill. Can you tell me where people intend to buy real estate next?
Can you post evidence illustrating they are attempting to assimilate? I don't think so. However, there is more than enough evidence of their arrogant refusal. In fact, they believe U.S. citizens should learn THEIR language, and complain when they aren't accommodated.
 
Old 03-12-2012, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Can you post evidence illustrating they are attempting to assimilate? I don't think so. However, there is more than enough evidence of their arrogant refusal. In fact, they believe U.S. citizens should learn THEIR language, and complain when they aren't accommodated.

Evidence illegal immigrant speaking SOME English (attempting):
News, video, CNN: Life of an Illegal Immigrant in the US

I have never heard illegals saying you should learn their language... do you have proof or an example?
 
Old 03-12-2012, 11:22 AM
 
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Not a law, but ok they normally do by the 3rd generation just like many of the waves before (Italians, Germans).
So we're suppose to be grateful that eventually their grandkids will bother to learn English?




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I never was complaining that we don't allow enough foreigners to come. I don't know what 'enough' is, and neither do you. I just don't care if illegals are here or not. I think we ought to enforce immigration laws on the books and generally deter them from entering, but I just don't get the obsession over illegals. Yeah they're here...so freakin what? The obsession over this issue just leads to or, more likely, brings out racial prejudices towards Hispanics on the whole, regardless of their legal status.
For someone who doesn't care if illegals are here or not you sure have voiced quite a lot of opinions about this issue.

The real racism is that of the hispanic lobby and many hispanic pols who only support illegals because they share a race and ethnic idenity with them. If the people in question were 80% Chinese instead of 80% Latino the Latino community would mirror the general American contempt for illegals.
 
Old 03-12-2012, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Denver
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So we're suppose to be grateful that eventually their grandkids will bother to learn English?






For someone who doesn't care if illegals are here or not you sure have voiced quite a lot of opinions about this issue.

The real racism is that of the hispanic lobby and many hispanic pols who only support illegals because they share a race and ethnic idenity with them. If the people in question were 80% Chinese instead of 80% Latino the Latino community would mirror the general American contempt for illegals.
Did I say you should be grateful? (that's just argumentative on your part)

90% of Black Americans support Obama. Is that racist or that they align with the culture? I think the latter.
 
Old 03-12-2012, 11:26 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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90% of Black Americans support Obama. Is that racist or that they align with the culture? I think the latter.
I don't know. Obama is half white.
 
Old 03-12-2012, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I never was complaining that we don't allow enough foreigners to come. I don't know what 'enough' is, and neither do you. I just don't care if illegals are here or not. I think we ought to enforce immigration laws on the books and generally deter them from entering, but I just don't get the obsession over illegals. Yeah they're here...so freakin what? The obsession over this issue just leads to or, more likely, brings out racial prejudices towards Hispanics on the whole, regardless of their legal status.
What is your obsession with race? Why do you continue to play the race card, when clearly race/ethnicity is not a factor? Yes, I am totally outraged that my taxes are being squandered on millions of people who shouldn't be here. And, I wouldn't give a damn if the people were polka dot. You may not consider BILLIONS of dollars significant. But, I certainly do.
 
Old 03-12-2012, 11:29 AM
 
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For someone who doesn't care if illegals are here or not you sure have voiced quite a lot of opinions about this issue.
I have a lot of opinions on this issue because I like to expose the real issue behind illegal immigration outcry: racism. I like pointing out other people's racism. I think they need to see it and understand it. They defend themselves by saying they're only against illegal immigration, but when you really dig just an inch deeper, you find out the truth: they're against immigration. And if you dig down even deeper, you see that they're especially against the immigration of Hispanic people or other non-whites. So yeah, I've got opinions on the issue.
 
Old 03-12-2012, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Denver
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I don't know. Obama is half white.
Mexicans are some portion of white as well.



p.s. I think I just got trolled into a race debate....darn....here we go down the road of being locked in 3..2...1...
 
Old 03-12-2012, 11:30 AM
 
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Did I say you should be grateful? (that's just argumentative on your part)

90% of Black Americans support Obama. Is that racist or that they align with the culture? I think the latter.
Ninety percent of African Americans are democrats so they support Obama. If Obama were white and running on the top of the Dem ticket they would still support him.

So what?

Do you or do you not think that illegals who want to be part of this country should have to demonstrate fluency in English first? I don't want to hear the grandmother argument. America was different at the turn of last century. Today we need to attract skilled, educated people who are speak English and believe in the rule of law to help compete internationally. Most illegals are not skilled, not educated and do not speak fluent English. Why the hell should we let them skip the immigration lines let alone welcome them for having done so?
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