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Old 03-25-2012, 10:21 AM
 
Location: where people are either too stupid to leave or too stuck to move
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Originally Posted by BRAZILIAN View Post
Hypothetically, imagine if (I said if) ALL the illegals leave the U.S.
What do you think would happen?? D the economy would be affect (badly) or would happen nothing??
(P.S.: I am not an illegal and I don't live in U.S.)
then there would only be native americans left

 
Old 03-25-2012, 10:27 AM
Status: "Ka Pow Za!" (set 17 days ago)
 
Location: hunt valley
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Which is a major problem these days in my view.
How so?
 
Old 03-25-2012, 10:32 AM
 
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Of course there is a myth, because if you have to rely on workers at all to fill in the gaps or in many cases even run your business it proves that americans on a large scale are not willing to work certain jobs. It doesn't mean all of course, but it does show that there will not be a groundswell of applications once you push out illegals or end guest worker programs either.
So you believe the pictures of long lines of job seekers -- including black job seekers is just a hoax?

You believe the over 10% of Americans on unemployment and the many on welfare handouts really don't want jobs?

I take it you agree with the politicians who claim unemployed Americans are just too lazy to ever want to work for a living?
 
Old 03-25-2012, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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BAHHAHAHAHAHA yeah okay sporty. FactCheck.org : Cost of Illegal Immigrants. Basically what they cost the tax payers is chump change. I've worked with them in restaurants and can say they are damn fine workers, who have too much pride to accept welfare in most cases. In fact i have rarely seen a latino pull out the little EBT card, but i see whites and blacks do it regular.
FactCheck? Please. How on earth would they know the costs to validate/invalidate ANYTHING related to illegal immigration? By their own admission, even GAO is unable to accurately determine those costs, particularly for K-12.

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Concerns about education costs may reflect "squeezed" state and local budgets, rising school enrollments, and overcrowded schools.

Current government information is not sufficient to directly estimate the state-by-state costs of educating illegal alien schoolchildren. Although a variety of data are available, no government source estimates the numbers of illegal alien schoolchildren for most or all states. Specifically, states and local areas record data on school enrollment and costs but not on immigration status. In response to GAO's survey, a few states estimated costs of educating illegal alien children, based partly on assumptions.
U.S. GAO - Illegal Alien Schoolchildren: Issues in Estimating State-by-State Costs

However, one can estimate on the basis of the following. . .

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Nearly half, 47 percent, of illegal-immigrant households consist of parents with children. This proportion is more than double that of U.S.-born households, where just 21 percent are parents with children. Over the years, the number of children of illegal immigrants has increased significantly.

The large number of children of illegal immigrants greatly impacts public schools and education-funding costs.

The Pew study found that in 2008, “Children of unauthorized immigrants are 6.8 percent of students enrolled in kindergarten through grade 12,” an increase from the 5.4 percent in 2003. The proportion was double in California, where 13.5 percent of k-12 students in 2008 were the children of illegal immigrants.

Given these percentages, cost estimates of educating these children are staggering.

Therefore, if one multiplies $12,028 by the roughly 3.7 million students with illegal-immigrant parents, then one gets a national total funding cost of $44.5 billion.
Educating illegal immigrants is costly *| ajc.com

Add to that ESL costs. Note the following is from 15 years ago for the state of CA alone. I hate to think of the current national costs.

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Since approximately a third of California LEP students are in "bilingual" programs, and many of the remainder are in the even more costly ESL-pullout, it seems plausible that the marginal additional expense per California LEP child is in the approximate range of $1000-1500 per year. This is reasonably consistent with total state-level spending of $319 million per year on LEP students.
Proposition 227--English for the Children

Add to that prison costs. Unfortunately, they have failed to separate illegal aliens from other criminal aliens. What a surprise. Nevertheless, the costs as usual, are staggering.

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The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons in fiscal year 2010 was about 55,000, and the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails was about 296,000 in fiscal year 2009 (the most recent data available), and the majority were from Mexico.

GAO estimates that costs to incarcerate criminal aliens in federal prisons and SCAAP reimbursements to states and localities ranged from about $1.5 billion to $1.6 billion annually from fiscal years 2005 through 2009;
U.S. GAO - Criminal Alien Statistics: Information on Incarcerations, Arrests, and Costs

These outrageous costs don't even include the multiple BILLIONS of dollars borne by U.S. taxpayers for the WIC, welfare, ER visits, organ transplants, kidney dialysis, medical, subsidized housing, or their tax "credits" on zero withholdings. Don't tell me these squandered billions wouldn't help balance the budget.

Chump change? Hardly.
 
Old 03-25-2012, 10:35 AM
 
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Crab houses do like agricultural jobs in that you can opt for the wage or opt to be paid on the amount you pick which usually results in a higher wage. These are low skiled labor jobs anyway so how much above min wages do you think they should pay ?
The MARKET will make the wage levels. NO illegal aliens need apply.
 
Old 03-25-2012, 10:36 AM
 
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How so?
It makes people shun low-profile, but necessary jobs, even if they would not mind doing simple tasks, many people just can't make ends meet that way.
For instance, picking grapes the whole day is quite demanding physically. Still, nobody wants to pay pickers accordingly. On the one hand Americans keep saying people need to work hard. But when they do, it is not rewarded accordingly for elitist, class-motivated reasons.

I think people should be paid mostly based on the time they spend working and their reliability, skills should only be a minor factor, an income add-on so to speak.
 
Old 03-25-2012, 10:37 AM
 
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Question -- how many of the pro-illegal crowd would like to tell these people to their face that they are really just too lazy to work and that they aren't really looking for jobs. Or they should never again be employed because the illegals are far superior a worker.

http://media.nj.com/business_impact/...a316_large.jpg

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...gHj_TY5g4m2VCA

http://blog.mlive.com/businessreview...yment-line.jpg

Go ahead and click and look at the faces of those despised American citizens and still insist they really don't want jobs and that we must continue to bring in millions more illegals to provide jobs to instead.
 
Old 03-25-2012, 10:42 AM
 
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I don't think many people on those photos would like to or are able to do typical illegal immigrant jobs

The illegals themselves are the last to be blamed. It is mostly Americans' fault, be it consumers, be it employers.
 
Old 03-25-2012, 10:44 AM
 
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The MARKET will make the wage levels. NO illegal aliens need apply.
Yes, wages are all about supply and demand.

When the supply of workers is limited, the employers must compete for them and wages and/or benefits rise.

When the supply of workers is made unlimited as it currently is, wages become stagnant even if the government forces a minimum wage, and wages drop. Employers are easily getting around the minimum wage by bringing in truckloads of illegals. Factories in Chicago can pay illegals $6 an hour, no overtime.

If Americans don't want to work for $6 an hour, but also it's illegal to hire Americans for $6 an hour to do factory work, then the factories turn to illegals who gladly work for that pay.

Why hire an American to drive a tractor for 12 hours a day and be required to pay $7.35 an hour and time and a half for 4 of the hours? Plus the American is probably going to want bathroom facilities of some kind, portable johns would have to be brought in which is added costs to the farmer. Much better to have truckloads of illegals and pay $4 to $5 an hour, no overtime, no portable johns. They are such good little hard workers after all.
 
Old 03-25-2012, 10:45 AM
Status: "Ka Pow Za!" (set 17 days ago)
 
Location: hunt valley
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Originally Posted by Benicar View Post
FactCheck? Please. How on earth would they know the costs to validate/invalidate ANYTHING related to illegal immigration? By their own admission, even GAO is unable to accurately determine those costs, particularly for K-12.


U.S. GAO - Illegal Alien Schoolchildren: Issues in Estimating State-by-State Costs

However, one can estimate on the basis of the following. . .


Educating illegal immigrants is costly *| ajc.com

Add to that ESL costs. Note the following is from 15 years ago for the state of CA alone. I hate to think of the current national costs.


Proposition 227--English for the Children

Add to that prison costs. Unfortunately, they have failed to separate illegal aliens from other criminal aliens. What a surprise. Nevertheless, the costs as usual, are staggering.


U.S. GAO - Criminal Alien Statistics: Information on Incarcerations, Arrests, and Costs

These outrageous costs don't even include the multiple BILLIONS of dollars borne by U.S. taxpayers for the WIC, welfare, ER visits, organ transplants, kidney dialysis, medical, subsidized housing, or their tax "credits" on zero withholdings. Don't tell me these squandered billions wouldn't help balance the budget.

Chump change? Hardly.
However they can give a general idea of what they think the cost is and the highest realistic number that comes out to about 20 billion. Even if it was 50 billion, in the scheme of the us economy it's friggin chump change.
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