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Old 03-25-2012, 11:49 AM
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Location: hunt valley
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I don't think many people on those photos would like to or are able to do typical illegal immigrant jobs

The illegals themselves are the last to be blamed. It is mostly Americans' fault, be it consumers, be it employers.
I agree because as we move on in society those jobs are less desirable to americans coming up. Who wants to sit around hauling steel all day, or punching out plastic for 14 dollars an hour, when they can sit in an air conditioned office making 26?

 
Old 03-25-2012, 11:50 AM
 
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I don't think many people on those photos would like to or are able to do typical illegal immigrant jobs .
First of all there are fewer than 1 million jobs in agriculture.

Not all agricultural workers are illegally here. Many Americans have worked these jobs (myself included).

Most illegals are not working in agriculture. Agricultural jobs pay extremely little. My brother-in-law works in agriculture, he drives a huge tractor with an airconditioned cab, radio and CD player. He says it beats sitting in an office because he has a nice view and good scenery.

No way would most unemployed Americans refuse to drive a tractor or forklift --- which is what most farm work really involves. Even the illegals aren't just out there plowing a field behind a mule or using a shovel. Again -- fewer than one million jobs in agriculture, only an estimated 25% of those are filled by illegals.

What are the other 29.75 million illegals doing for a living?
 
Old 03-25-2012, 11:51 AM
Status: "Yodeling in DewDropInn's hotel" (set 11 days ago)
 
Location: hunt valley
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So you believe the pictures of long lines of job seekers -- including black job seekers is just a hoax?

You believe the over 10% of Americans on unemployment and the many on welfare handouts really don't want jobs?

I take it you agree with the politicians who claim unemployed Americans are just too lazy to ever want to work for a living?
Believe me there are plenty of them sitting around sucking it up not even looking for a job because they don't have to. And i have yet to see anyplace in the city with long lines trailing out the door full of people looking for work. It's not the great depression for petes sake.
 
Old 03-25-2012, 11:53 AM
Status: "Yodeling in DewDropInn's hotel" (set 11 days ago)
 
Location: hunt valley
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First of all there are fewer than 1 million jobs in agriculture.

Not all agricultural workers are illegally here. Many Americans have worked these jobs (myself included).

Most illegals are not working in agriculture. Agricultural jobs pay extremely little. My brother-in-law works in agriculture, he drives a huge tractor with an airconditioned cab, radio and CD player. He says it beats sitting in an office because he has a nice view and good scenery.

No way would most unemployed Americans refuse to drive a tractor or forklift --- which is what most farm work really involves. Even the illegals aren't just out there plowing a field behind a mule or using a shovel. Again -- fewer than one million jobs in agriculture, only an estimated 25% of those are filled by illegals.

What are the other 29.75 million illegals doing for a living?
Where in the world are you getting the number 30 million? And do you have proof that only 25 percent are filled by illegals? How about the numbers filled by the guest worker programs?
 
Old 03-25-2012, 11:53 AM
 
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I agree because as we move on in society those jobs are less desirable to americans coming up. Who wants to sit around hauling steel all day, or punching out plastic for 14 dollars an hour, when they can sit in an air conditioned office making 26?
And how many Americans are sitting in an office making $26 an hour?

Yours is the exact mentality of the pro-illegals who want limitless immigration and open borders -- the American military which sweated out hot days and nights, slept in tents, lived in complete danger in Afghanistan and Iraq are facing a 30% unemployment rate --- but you pro-illegals will also damn them and insist they really don't want to work for a living.

American blacks have the highest unemployment rate -- so according to you it is just sheer laziness and love of welfare handouts that keep them from working for a living?
 
Old 03-25-2012, 11:57 AM
 
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First of all there are fewer than 1 million jobs in agriculture.

Not all agricultural workers are illegally here. Many Americans have worked these jobs (myself included).

Most illegals are not working in agriculture. Agricultural jobs pay extremely little. My brother-in-law works in agriculture, he drives a huge tractor with an airconditioned cab, radio and CD player. He says it beats sitting in an office because he has a nice view and good scenery.

No way would most unemployed Americans refuse to drive a tractor or forklift --- which is what most farm work really involves. Even the illegals aren't just out there plowing a field behind a mule or using a shovel. Again -- fewer than one million jobs in agriculture, only an estimated 25% of those are filled by illegals.

What are the other 29.75 million illegals doing for a living?
I don't know, you seem to have all the statistics, so you tell me...
 
Old 03-25-2012, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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However they can give a general idea of what they think the cost is and the highest realistic number that comes out to about 20 billion. Even if it was 50 billion, in the scheme of the us economy it's friggin chump change.
Again, FactCheck knows ZILCH about illegal immigration costs. Twenty billion? Don't make me laugh. Even 50 billion is a joke. That wouldn't even cover their K-12 costs.
 
Old 03-25-2012, 11:58 AM
 
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Believe me there are plenty of them sitting around sucking it up not even looking for a job because they don't have to. And i have yet to see anyplace in the city with long lines trailing out the door full of people looking for work. It's not the great depression for petes sake.
Okay you've convinced me. The American unemployed are truly a lazy lot, they deserve to have their houses foreclosed and they deserve never to work again. Leave them unemployed. They're just stupid because the only thing they could do is work in an air conditioned office for $26 an hour -- let's just forget the fact that many never did so, many worked in sweltering factories and boring assembly lines and held these jobs for years.

Let's just dump them all on the street and bring in millions more illegals to replace the American slobs still working meager jobs for a living. Why should any American have a job -- after all Americans are all too lazy and want at least minimum wages.
 
Old 03-25-2012, 11:59 AM
Status: "Yodeling in DewDropInn's hotel" (set 11 days ago)
 
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And how many Americans are sitting in an office making $26 an hour?

Yours is the exact mentality of the pro-illegals who want limitless immigration and open borders -- the American military which sweated out hot days and nights, slept in tents, lived in complete danger in Afghanistan and Iraq are facing a 30% unemployment rate --- but you pro-illegals will also damn them and insist they really don't want to work for a living.

American blacks have the highest unemployment rate -- so according to you it is just sheer laziness and love of welfare handouts that keep them from working for a living?
Considering the average median household income is at around 50,000 i would say plenty . And you will find that blacks most likely are to live in urban areas with less access to the job market. Also given that selling drugs is more profitable then working a 9-5 job that does skew the numbers some.
 
Old 03-25-2012, 12:01 PM
 
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I don't know, you seem to have all the statistics, so you tell me...
The fact of how many agricultural jobs is provided by our lovely government itself. Check the occupational outlook for jobs -- it's there. Fewer than 1 million agricultural jobs including hatcheries.

The H2A visa has no caps and is an obvious solution to a farmer who actually might have a worker shortage. In fact when you look at a foreign farm worker, you can't actually rule out he's here on an H2A visa. Not all farm workers are foreign and not all foreign farm workers are here illegally -- no one should have to tell you that.
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