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Old 09-16-2007, 12:46 PM
 
Location: In an illegal immigrant free part of the country.
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Port and chemcial/nuclear plant security is what we need. Sound foreign policy coupled and going after those responsible for 9/11 is what we need.

Actually punishing companies for breaking laws is what we need.

Wasting thread after thread and tireless rhetoric on Mexicans is not what we need.

Now time to go one about the Mexicans.....
If we stop talking about illegal immigration we will lose our momentum to fight it. Just like a coach encouraging his team to win we need to continue to pump ourselves up. Remember they are counting on us getting tired and losing our resolve!

I cannot tell you how many arguments I have had with my husband because I spend so much time on this BUT it is my grandchildren not his that will be competing for jobs with low wage foreign workers.
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Old 09-16-2007, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
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I agree citigirl, it is a very serious problem.
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Old 09-16-2007, 05:18 PM
 
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The banned country song.




IllegalAliens.US-Home (Undocumented immigrants is politically correct nonsense!)

Visit ReportIllegals.com

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/09/suspects-in-girls-murder-admit-they-entered-the-us-illegally/: (broken link)
Also has a Gretta UTUBE clip about it too.

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Old 09-17-2007, 11:31 AM
 
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If we stop talking about illegal immigration we will lose our momentum to fight it. Just like a coach encouraging his team to win we need to continue to pump ourselves up. Remember they are counting on us getting tired and losing our resolve!

I cannot tell you how many arguments I have had with my husband because I spend so much time on this BUT it is my grandchildren not his that will be competing for jobs with low wage foreign workers.
but it's misguided. While the toughest rhetoric may be coming from the GOP, it's all like the words here, "We must stop them."

The problem is that it's the wrong them. Again, illegals will come and come and come for opportunity. They have absolutely nothing and they are coming for jobs that pay just very little, but a lot more than down there.

This situation will not improve until 2 things happen:


1) All relevant authorities actually crackdown on companies for hiring illegals to the point that companies will go out of there way to make sure that they don't make such "mistakes."

2) There is fundamental improvement in Mexico. Saying that it's Mexico's problem alone... well, you might as well then go and escort Mexicans to you town. There are ways that we can improve their situation which in turn will help the situation here. It can't be done without Mexico's stepping up, but it can be done.
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Old 09-17-2007, 02:15 PM
 
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but it's misguided. "[/i]2) There is fundamental improvement in Mexico. Saying that it's Mexico's problem alone... well, you might as well then go and escort Mexicans to you town. There are ways that we can improve their situation which in turn will help the situation here. It can't be done without Mexico's stepping up, but it can be done.
This is very true--we in the US are caught in a bind, between our own consciences, and our self-preservation. The fact is (and I've mentioned this before) that the poor Mexicans are essentially the victims of their own greedy "ruling classes". Mexico is a reasonably well-off country in terms of material wealth, but its social system is brutally unfair. The rich take advantage of this, essentially relying on the nearby USA as a place to "dump" their impoverished "excess" population, before these people can get angry enough, or desperate enough, to revolt against the system. We have the choice of continuing to take in huge numbers of poor and uneducated people (and thereby strain and impoverish our own country),-- OR we can seal the border and "turn them away" to go home and "starve" (and thereby turn our backs on our own decent and generous traditions). Either way, we lose. As long as there is no "social justice" in Mexico, little improvement can be expected.
As I've said before, (don't remember who came up with this, but it's true), "If Mexico suddenly found itself next door to Russia, or China, or India, instead of the USA, it would soon descend into bloody revolution".....(meaning that these places wouldn't 'take in' the immigrants, who would thus be forced to 'stay home', and would soon turn their rage upon their own unfair system).....
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Old 09-17-2007, 05:58 PM
 
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And self-preservation is the utmost and should be what we think about in the front of our minds.
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Old 09-22-2007, 02:04 PM
 
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Remember the Roman Empire and it's demise.
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Old 09-22-2007, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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This I will say: despite my disgust against illegal immigration; totally closing our borders would not be wise IMHO.

If nothing else: eliminating the 'anchor baby' issue; the USA has already achieved Zero Population Growth........and, our population would start declining in short order.

Maybe reapply the immigration policy that was in force from ca. 1920-65, rhetorically speaking?
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Old 09-22-2007, 07:42 PM
 
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I'm all for it. If we stopped all immigration cold then the U.S. population would grow as follows according to the Center for Immigration Studies:

2010: 306 million
2020: 323 million
2030: 337 million
2040: 347 million
2050: 355 million
2060: 363 million

If not, then by 2060 the population will be 468 million or much much more.
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Old 09-23-2007, 12:53 AM
 
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I'm all for it. If we stopped all immigration cold then the U.S. population would grow as follows according to the Center for Immigration Studies:

2010: 306 million
2020: 323 million
2030: 337 million
2040: 347 million
2050: 355 million
2060: 363 million

If not, then by 2060 the population will be 468 million or much much more.
Wow! 468 million is a huge niumber of people. How in the world would we ever supply enough power, water and other services? We are already beginning to experience brown outs and water shortages in many cities.
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