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Old 09-23-2007, 01:26 AM
 
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If we stop talking about illegal immigration we will lose our momentum to fight it. Just like a coach encouraging his team to win we need to continue to pump ourselves up. Remember they are counting on us getting tired and losing our resolve!
Yes, they are counting on us allowing an amnesty again and thereby encouraging even more illegal aliens to come in hopes of getting in on the next one.

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I cannot tell you how many arguments I have had with my husband because I spend so much time on this BUT it is my grandchildren not his that will be competing for jobs with low wage foreign workers.
I can relate. My husband and I do not see eye to eye on this subject either.

Hang in there citigirl. I will too!
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Old 09-23-2007, 03:29 AM
 
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I wonder why there is so many illegals? If people in US embasies would stop playing Gods and issue visas to whom they like, there won't be as many of them. I have been refused visa myself (still can't find a reason for it) like it seems America is the only and the best country to immigrate. There are no visas in EU, and people can travel all over the place, stay in one country, work, create their new lifes and get help from government if necessary, or earn money and go somewhere else. You have Mexicans who immigrate to US and we here in Britain have East Europeans, but you can't really do anything about it, just hire a cheap polish builder who will do his work really well and won't complain.

If you want population to stop growing maybe create a law which allows family to have only one child? Oh, i think i heard that one somewhere...
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Old 02-05-2009, 01:44 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I wonder why there is so many illegals?
In America, businesses hire them to escape the socialist overhead that makes it unprofitable to hire legal labor.

Simplest solution: eliminate all taxes on labor and eliminate socialism.
Then there would be no advantage to hiring a foreign worker. Nor would there be any "special attraction" for the illegal to invade America.
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Old 02-05-2009, 05:43 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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In America, businesses hire them to escape the socialist overhead that makes it unprofitable to hire legal labor.

Simplest solution: eliminate all taxes on labor and eliminate socialism.
Then there would be no advantage to hiring a foreign worker. Nor would there be any "special attraction" for the illegal to invade America.
Socialist? Define socialism, please.

Unless you are referring to OSHA, etc.------------which I support.
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Socialist? Define socialism, please.
Let's begin from the beginning- - -

From the Communist manifesto:
"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."


COMMUNISM - the ownership of property, or means of production, distribution and supply, by the whole of a classless society, with wealth shared on the principle of 'to each according to his need', each yielding fully 'according to his ability'. Webster's Dictionary
Since 1935, the U.S.A. has been a socialist nation.
SOCIALISM - A political and economic theory advocating collective ownership of the means of production and control of distribution. It is based upon the belief that all, while contributing to the good of the community, are equally entitled to the care and protection which the community can provide.
--- Webster's dictionary
What's wrong with collective ownership?

It's qualified ownership.
"OWNERSHIP - ... Ownership of property is either absolute or qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person has the absolute dominion over it... The ownership is qualified when it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted. "
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106
What's wrong with qualified ownership?

It abolishes absolute ownership by individuals - aka private property.
"PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217
FYI - estate is held with qualified ownership (ex: real and personal property).
LAND. ... The land is one thing, and the ESTATE in land is another thing, for an ESTATE in land is a time in land or land for a time.
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.877
Since 1935, if an American fails to pay his Socialist taxes, the government takes his property from him. And since the government does not pay just compensation for taking his property for public use, that is proof that socialist America no longer has private property rights.

Thus while everyone was busy opposing communism (collective ownership) the other camel (of collective ownership) sneaked under the tent (via socialism).

Of course, government excuses itself from blame because there is no law compelling participation in Socialism nor punishing Americans who do not participate. It is 100% voluntary - voluntary servitude.

Why should Americans oppose collective ownership that abolishes private property?

Amendment V, US Constitution 1789
... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Isn't it odd that Americans are not taught about their heritage of sovereignty, freedom and independence?
And immigrants are much more ignorant of the birthright of Americans.

"Government is not Sovereignty. Government is the machinery or expedient for expressing the will of the sovereign power."
City of Bisbee v. Cochise County, 78 P. 2d 982, 986, 52 Ariz. 1

"People are supreme, not the state."
Waring v. the Mayor of Savannah, 60 GA at 93.

"The people of the state, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the king by his own prerogative."
Lansing v. Smith, (1829) 4 Wendell 9, (NY)

"At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country."
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463

REPUBLICAN (form of) GOVERNMENT. One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people,... directly,.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary

Can you now guess why the unofficial policy of the U.S. government is to allow a flood of immigrants?
They bolster the population of ignorant, functionally illiterate "socialist worker bees" who labor their whole lives for the benefit of another.

Because the alternative - a nation of educated, aware, sovereign Americans - will bring their scam to a swift end.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/7313776-post106.html

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Old 02-08-2009, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I agree with all that
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Old 02-10-2009, 08:00 PM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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it's time for millitary basses to be built along the boarder that would solve it
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Old 02-11-2009, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Wichita,Kansas
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Its already too late we should have put tight control on the border back in the..
70's,80's.Too many Pro-Illegal folks,Lobbies,and not enough Americans willing..
To speak out,protest, afraid of being labled racist.
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Its already too late we should have put tight control on the border back in the..
70's,80's.Too many Pro-Illegal folks,Lobbies,and not enough Americans willing..
To speak out,protest, afraid of being labled racist.
Not too late: the recession is really putting the boot into the backsides of illegal aliens.

Looking at just Arizona (where I live); illegals are definitely thinner on the ground compared to late 2007
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:28 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I wonder why there is so many illegals? If people in US embasies would stop playing Gods and issue visas to whom they like, there won't be as many of them. I have been refused visa myself (still can't find a reason for it) like it seems America is the only and the best country to immigrate. There are no visas in EU, and people can travel all over the place, stay in one country, work, create their new lifes and get help from government if necessary, or earn money and go somewhere else. You have Mexicans who immigrate to US and we here in Britain have East Europeans, but you can't really do anything about it, just hire a cheap polish builder who will do his work really well and won't complain.

If you want population to stop growing maybe create a law which allows family to have only one child? Oh, i think i heard that one somewhere...

Let's break it down for you. These people are sneakng across the border, working under the radar to not pay taxes and are using tax payer funded Social Services. What money they do make gets split between them and the remittance they send back to other Countries. That money will never be seen in the US again.

How long do you think any Society can survive with everyone taking and no one giving?
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