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Old 04-25-2012, 08:34 AM
 
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Glad to see that you recognize that both candidates propose some sort of amnesty. Curious to see if they will both get your scorn equally moving forward.

And, surely you have to agree, once the GOP completely guts Medicaid, as many hope they will, there will be absolutely no reason for them to stay.

As for the rest, as a very famous person used to say "A rising tide lifts all boats."
While I certainly don't believe that all illegals will go home any more than I believe that illegal immigration will ever completely stop, I do believe the report and I do believe that as things continue to improve in Mexico, future generations will have less reason to think that living in the shadows is preferable to staying home.
You're wrong. Romney wants illegal aliens to return to their homelands first before applying to come here legally on a visa. That isn't the same thing as an amnesty aka the Dream Act.
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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You're wrong. Romney wants illegal aliens to return to their homelands first before applying to come here legally on a visa. That isn't the same thing as an amnesty aka the Dream Act.

Maybe that's what he said last week, this week he said something a little different:

"At a press conference with Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) Monday, Romney said Rubio’s nascent DREAM Act proposal, which offers the children of illegal immigrants a way to remain in the country, should pass muster with conservatives like Kobach. "


Did Mitt Romney Just Throw Kris Kobach Under The Bus? | TPM2012
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:49 PM
 
Location: California
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Maybe that's what he said last week, this week he said something a little different:

"At a press conference with Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) Monday, Romney said Rubio’s nascent DREAM Act proposal, which offers the children of illegal immigrants a way to remain in the country, should pass muster with conservatives like Kobach. "


Did Mitt Romney Just Throw Kris Kobach Under The Bus? | TPM2012
Romney isn't on full board with Rubio's DREAM act, the bottom of your link makes that quite clear:
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“The one that’s been proposed in the Senate creates a new category of citizenship for certain individuals. [Rubio’s] proposal does not create that new category but instead provides visas for those that come into the country that came in as young people with their families,” Romney said. “I’m taking a look at his proposal. It has many features to commend it, but it’s something we’re studying.”.......Romney has not yet come out in favor of, or opposition to, Rubio’s plan. But by speaking favorably on it, he’s taking a stand against some of his key supporters.
You seem to be putting the cart before the horse.

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It appears Rubio has more work to do for that endorsement as Romney wouldn't go so far as to embrace Rubio's immigration proposal.

Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/pol...#ixzz1t5EBSSmY
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:53 PM
 
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Maybe that's what he said last week, this week he said something a little different:

"At a press conference with Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) Monday, Romney said Rubio’s nascent DREAM Act proposal, which offers the children of illegal immigrants a way to remain in the country, should pass muster with conservatives like Kobach. "


Did Mitt Romney Just Throw Kris Kobach Under The Bus? | TPM2012
You're reading more into this than there actually is. From the article, "Romney has not yet come out in favor of, or opposition to, Rubio’s plan".

Besides, Romney would be a fool to tick off his conservative base to pander to Hispanics when his conservative base consists of a lot more voters. Hispanics will typically vote Democrat no matter what especially since Obama is promising a lot more to illegal aliens than Romney "might".

Keep in mind also that a president can do little in regards to immigration issues without the approval of congress. Hispanics seem to forget that when choosing who to vote for. Obama has been trying to years but has gotten nowhere accept to enact a mini-back door amnesty for some.
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:46 PM
 
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Glad to see that you recognize that both candidates propose some sort of amnesty. Curious to see if they will both get your scorn equally moving forward.

And, surely you have to agree, once the GOP completely guts Medicaid, as many hope they will, there will be absolutely no reason for them to stay.

As for the rest, as a very famous person used to say "A rising tide lifts all boats."
While I certainly don't believe that all illegals will go home any more than I believe that illegal immigration will ever completely stop, I do believe the report and I do believe that as things continue to improve in Mexico, future generations will have less reason to think that living in the shadows is preferable to staying home.
You believe the report based on what facts presented? What tangible measures?
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:25 PM
 
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Glad to see that you recognize that both candidates propose some sort of amnesty. Curious to see if they will both get your scorn equally moving forward.

And, surely you have to agree, once the GOP completely guts Medicaid, as many hope they will, there will be absolutely no reason for them to stay.

As for the rest, as a very famous person used to say "A rising tide lifts all boats."
While I certainly don't believe that all illegals will go home any more than I believe that illegal immigration will ever completely stop, I do believe the report and I do believe that as things continue to improve in Mexico, future generations will have less reason to think that living in the shadows is preferable to staying home.
If you believe the report that illegals are returning home, then you should believe that an amnesty is not needed.

I thought the whole point to giving the illegals their big amnesty reward was because none of them were ever going to go back home, that we're stuck with them so we have to make them into citizens so they can receive a nice social security check and American retirement.

If it's true that illegals are headed home, then it shows the big advantage in leaving them illegal.
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:50 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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What are lawmakers supposed to do exactly...make it more illegal to enter/stay here without a visa?
This is the job of the executive branch, and they appear to be doing everything they can right now (with record successes).
The executive branch languished a little to long and were not diligent..I don't believe they could grasp the concept of the numbers...I can seeing my nation is just over 33 million- and yours from what I understand is over 360 million...If 30 million unknowns or (illegals) are in existence..to some it may not sound like a lot....to me....It would amount to the internal displacement of my whole national populace.

To bad there was not a legal filtering system in place to begin with that would quickly weed out the unworthy.

Let me give you an example of success as far as mixing it up..There is a large but exclusive day care in my hood..I see baby strollers that hold 4 infants at a time. Young woman push their wards down the street.. 4 strollers in a row..containing 16 babies all just under a year old...I look at their sweet innocent faces....I SEE EVERY RACE AND CREED ON THE PLANET..within that little convoy....Canada had a plan as far as international intigration..America did not.
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:15 AM
 
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The executive branch languished a little to long and were not diligent..I don't believe they could grasp the concept of the numbers...I can seeing my nation is just over 33 million- and yours from what I understand is over 360 million...If 30 million unknowns or (illegals) are in existence..to some it may not sound like a lot....to me....It would amount to the internal displacement of my whole national populace.

To bad there was not a legal filtering system in place to begin with that would quickly weed out the unworthy.

Let me give you an example of success as far as mixing it up..There is a large but exclusive day care in my hood..I see baby strollers that hold 4 infants at a time. Young woman push their wards down the street.. 4 strollers in a row..containing 16 babies all just under a year old...I look at their sweet innocent faces....I SEE EVERY RACE AND CREED ON THE PLANET..within that little convoy....Canada had a plan as far as international intigration..America did not.
What do you mean? The U.S. does have a legal immigration system in place. It does weed out the unworthy. We do try to integrate LEGAL immigrants. The topic is illegal immigration and we shoulnd't have to integrate them into our society as they don't belong here. They need to be deported.
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:17 AM
 
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If you believe the report that illegals are returning home, then you should believe that an amnesty is not needed.

I thought the whole point to giving the illegals their big amnesty reward was because none of them were ever going to go back home, that we're stuck with them so we have to make them into citizens so they can receive a nice social security check and American retirement.

If it's true that illegals are headed home, then it shows the big advantage in leaving them illegal.
Does the report say that every illegal is returning home?
Of course not.
It only says that enough are returning home to cancel out the number who are still arriving.

And, the report only deals with Mexicans returning home. It says nothing about Asians or Eastern Europeans or any other nationality.

Personally, I have not reached an opinion regarding amnesty. I do believe that some provision needs to be made for young people who have lived nowhere but here through no fault of their own, but, beyond that, I suspect that nothing is really going to be done any time soon so, the best we can hope for right now is net zero migration.
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:19 AM
 
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Does the report say that every illegal is returning home?
Of course not.
It only says that enough are returning home to cancel out the number who are still arriving.

And, the report only deals with Mexicans returning home. It says nothing about Asians or Eastern Europeans or any other nationality.

Personally, I have not reached an opinion regarding amnesty. I do believe that some provision needs to be made for young people who have lived nowhere but here through no fault of their own, but, beyond that, I suspect that nothing is really going to be done any time soon so, the best we can hope for right now is net zero migration.
Once again I challenge. How can they know either way when illegals are not tracked going either way?
In other words it is assumed. It is a guesstimate. In other words it aint a dairy farm we are smelling it is BS.
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