Pew: Net Migration from Mexico Falls to Zero—and Perhaps Less (illegal, USA)

[TigerLily24]

Originally Posted by chicagonut

You can't be serious that you think that 12-20 million or more illegal aliens in our country is no big deal. Have you read the stats on what this is costing our states? Do you know how many unemployed Americans there are right now? How about the overcrowding of our schools, jails and hospitals?

You tell me what of these jobs that illegals are holding sans crop picking that Americans haven't always done? They completely took over the construction industry. Since when haven't Americans always done those jobs? Or restaurant jobs, landscaping or other customer service jobs? Many of those jobs were entry level jobs for our youth. Americans should have to stand on street corners soliciting work or they are lazy? Those illegals doing that are getting paid cash and not paying taxes and that's alright with you? FYI, those greedy employers aren't hiring Americans because of the availability of cheap, illegal labor, not because Americans aren't willing to work those jobs. Stop drinking the pro-illegal alien kool-aid.

As for their anchors born here they will be competing for jobs and seats in our colleges, spots in our militay when they grow up just as these Dreamies would be. Yeah, that's all we need is more competition from foreigners or children born from illegal alien parents....NOT! As for taxes if these opportunities weren't being taken from Americans whose parent's are citizens of this country they also in turn would be paying taxes and contributing to our economy. Instead they are on unemployment and future opportunities will be stripped from them and subsequent generations.

Why not?
Better they should lay around the house playing video games all day?
Or, are our children too good for that kind of work?

Shouldn't employers be allowed to pay whatever they believe the job is worth?
Or should the minimum wage be raised to $10.00, $20.00... per hour just so American kids will feel a job is worthy of their "talents?"

All because some illegal chooses to spend 10-12 hours per day on a roof in AZ?
Really?

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by TigerLily24

Why not?
Better they should lay around the house playing video games all day?
Or, are our children too good for that kind of work?

Shouldn't employers be allowed to pay whatever they believe the job is worth?
Or should the minimum wage be raised to $10.00, $20.00... per hour just so American kids will feel a job is worthy of their "talents?"

All because some illegal chooses to spend 10-12 hours per day on a roof in AZ?
Really?

Yes, better to lay around the house all day than commit income tax evasion and breaking labor laws which is exactly what these illegals and the employers who pick them up on corners are doing. You think American children and adults should be standing on corners soliciting work and breaking the law?

We have labor and wage laws. Is that a foreign concept to you? Kids are wiling to work for minimum wage but illegals are holding those jobs at a cutrate wage instead. Whom do you think these greedy employers are going to hire the former or the latter?

Adult Americans have always done roofing so what are you talking about? On second thought don't bother to answer as I am done responding to you and reading anymore of your posts.

[Packard fan]

Originally Posted by TigerLily24

Why not?
Better they should lay around the house playing video games all day?
Or, are our children too good for that kind of work?

Shouldn't employers be allowed to pay whatever they believe the job is worth?
Or should the minimum wage be raised to $10.00, $20.00... per hour just so American kids will feel a job is worthy of their "talents?"

All because some illegal chooses to spend 10-12 hours per day on a roof in AZ?
Really?

Minimum wage is about where it should be. Unemployment has gone away for a lot of people so those low wage jobs are looking better. Of course illegal aliens NOT being allowed to work here would def help us out.

[West of Encino]

Most of the biggest industries have left the US. Mexicans came to the US and worked less than minimum wage. With hundreds of families living in one house, they gathered their money together and increased. Once that happened, they returned back to Mexico and the job market improved. Which explains why most are returning home.

[montanamom]

I don't believe it. Follow the "source".

It doesn't matter about the poor economy. They can STILL live better here than they can in Mexico by getting their women and children in the "system" and receiving the benefits that it brings.

Think they're leaving? I think they're lying to us to pacify us and take our attention off the problem. Ask my two good friends who work at our town's Department of Humsn Services if they seem to be "leaving" or getting less in numbers. They'll tell you the real truth. There are more than ever here illegally, and they are having more babies here than any other group.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by montanamom

I don't believe it. Follow the "source".

It doesn't matter about the poor economy. They can STILL live better here than they can in Mexico by getting their women and children in the "system" and receiving the benefits that it brings.

Think they're leaving? I think they're lying to us to pacify us and take our attention off the problem. Ask my two good friends who work at our town's Department of Humsn Services if they seem to be "leaving" or getting less in numbers. They'll tell you the real truth. There are more than ever here illegally, and they are having more babies here than any other group.

Exactly.

Minimum wage in Mexico is still about $0.50 an hour and these people are not educated or qualified to work in jobs that pay more than that. Many in Mexico, the unskilled, the farm laborers don't even earn Mexico's minimum wage.

The bettered conditions in Mexico are only for those who have at least a high school (secundaria) education and don't have many children they cannot afford.

If they feel like working, here they make TEN times what they do back home, and the welfare handouts make live here incredibly great. They get more in food stamps a month for just one child than they get in working very hard back home.

And the other thing -- all the pro-illegals, open borders type who said we absolutely need cheap illegals to keep our economy going also seem to be claiming our economy is improving at the same time they're claiming the illegals have left the USA.

Very inconsistent.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by West of Encino

Most of the biggest industries have left the US. Mexicans came to the US and worked less than minimum wage. With hundreds of families living in one house, they gathered their money together and increased. Once that happened, they returned back to Mexico and the job market improved. Which explains why most are returning home.

Hundreds of families living in one house? What house was it, the Rockefeller mansion?

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by montanamom

I don't believe it. Follow the "source".

It doesn't matter about the poor economy. They can STILL live better here than they can in Mexico by getting their women and children in the "system" and receiving the benefits that it brings.

Think they're leaving? I think they're lying to us to pacify us and take our attention off the problem. Ask my two good friends who work at our town's Department of Humsn Services if they seem to be "leaving" or getting less in numbers. They'll tell you the real truth. There are more than ever here illegally, and they are having more babies here than any other group.

That really depends on how you define "better". I actually have a better life in Mexico than in the US, though I am not Mexican and my circumstances are not typical.

And you really need to back up your claims with some kind of evidence. Making hysterical claims just because you refuse to believe it does not actually make it factual. This goes for anyone else who raises significant doubt about the news.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

That really depends on how you define "better". I actually have a better life in Mexico than in the US, though I am not Mexican and my circumstances are not typical.

And you really need to back up your claims with some kind of evidence. Making hysterical claims just because you refuse to believe it does not actually make it factual. This goes for anyone else who raises significant doubt about the news.

If you are an unwed mother from Mexico and really don't have much desire to work, most definitely the USA is a better place to be.

Mexico does not have the overly generous welfare handouts. A woman choosing to have babies she cannot afford in Mexico will face a life of hard work, or will have to find a man who would provide her and her children a place to live.

If she has even one child in the USA, she's given Section 8 housing, food stamps, WIC coupons, completely free health care -- it doesn't get any better than that.

The men have it better here also as they can sire all kinds of kids and never have to pay anything toward their support -- illegals have figured out how it works -- the woman puts down "single homemaker" on her welfare applications, but the couple can consider themselves "common-law" married. He gets a free place to live, he can work and never has to report his earnings, if they split, there's no child support obligations. Illegals are not expected to pay child support in the USA.

Minimum wage in Mexico for those who never finished school or learned job skills is about $0.50 an hour. Welfare programs are easily accessed in the USA simply by giving birth here, and bring in a whole lot more than a minimum wage job in Mexico does.

Yes, the standard of living in Mexico is good for the educated, the middle class, but that's not who are pouring into the USA to live here illegally.

[West of Encino]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Hundreds of families living in one house? What house was it, the Rockefeller mansion?

Large houses in California cities.