Cheap Labor???

[User 2]

Originally Posted by cynwldkat

It is interesting that the federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly allowance of $1, 890.00 and each can also get an additional $580.00 in social assistance for a total of $2,470.00.

This compares very well to a single pensioner who after contributing to the growth and development of America for 40 to 50 years can only receive a monthly maximum of $1, 012.00 in old age pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement.

Maybe our pensioners should apply as refugees!

Lets send this to all Americans, so we can all be ticked off and maybe we can get the refugees cut back to $1012.00 and the pensioners up to $2,470 00 and enjoy some of the money we were forced to submit to the Government over the last 40 or 50 years.

Hilarious... A search for this supposed 'data' on refugees turns up only in four references, and none of those instances involve any official government source for the supposed facts.

First a blog post from the ubiquitous "Barry G.":

http://asmalldoseofreality.bloghi.com/2007/07

[quote]Too darn good for the white man allowance of $1, 890.00 and each can also get an additional $580.00 in social assistance for a total of $2,470.00.

Interesting that the comments refer to the low level of knowledge attributed to Barry G, ...the commenters point that out because the numbers are evidently thought to refer to Canadian law.

(might explain this) Next, a Canadian forum....

http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?...wtopic&t=12395

Only in Canada.

Do not apply for your old age pension. Apply to be a refugee.
It is interesting that the federal government provides a single
refugee with a monthly
allowance of $1, 890.00 and each can get an
additional $580.00 in social assistance for a total of $2,470.00.

After the Canadian forum, a copy of a letter from Haysville Kansas to a Congressman:

It is interesting that the federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly allowance of $1, 890.00 and each can also obtain an additional $580.00 in social assistance for a total of $2, 470.00/month.

Then another US forum, this time copying a mass viral email on Social Security:

http://groups.google.com/group/RENO-...dd947594e981dd

Subject: Social Security Benefits!
If the immigrant is over 65 they can apply for SSI and
Medicaid and get more than my mom gets for Social Security
and she worked from 1940 till 2000, she only gets $791 per
month because she was born in 1922 and there is a "catch
22".

It is interesting that the federal government provides a
single refugee with a monthly allowance of $1, 890.00 and
each can also get an additional $580.00 in social assistance
for a total of $2,470.00.

And finally, posted on City Data as if the same unsourced information might apply to yet another subject.

It seems to me one might look to see if what one is posting on a forum might possibly truly represent some actual facts before just posting whatever one hears.

Then again, it seems some folks don't bother, ..... might explain the Snopes debunking of the same, eh?
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[malamute]

Originally Posted by Alanboy395

Stating the obvious:

The businesses don't really care about the havoc that illegals reek on our wallets, neighborhoods, and public education. All these greedy-*^& employers care about is getting their job done for the lowest cost possible.

Exactly. In many ways illegals beat slaves. Slave masters were expected to provide for their slaves, in the case of illegals, the illegal masters profit greatly with the cheap labor but it's the taxpayers who provide the free health care, education, DWI's and so on.

With illegals the illegal-master just pays a low wage that no one including illegals can live on -- no health insurance provided so the taxpayers provide that, food stamps and WIC because no large family could exist on the low wages provided and still have huge families.

It's all about privatizing the profits but socializing the costs.

[malamute]

[quote=User 2;2319815]Hilarious... A search for this supposed 'data' on refugees turns up only in four references, and none of those instances involve any official government source for the supposed facts.

First a blog post from the ubiquitous "Barry G.":

http://asmalldoseofreality.bloghi.com/2007/07

Too darn good for the white man allowance of $1, 890.00 and each can also get an additional $580.00 in social assistance for a total of $2,470.00.
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Unsourced --- but entirely reasonable. Look how much it costs for a family to live in the USA. How much do you think a jobless, English-illiterate refugee family would require?

Housing costs alone -- especially for the families with many children (and in some cases very many because of multiple wives), would run over $1200 a month -- add in utilities, telephones, health care, education costs, food bills, transportation and so on.

The fact is -- it's very expensive to life in the USA or Canada -- bringing over refugees obviously costs the taxpayers tremendous amounts of money. And it can be years before any of the refugees is able to obtain any kind of job - much less one that can support them.

[bryan61]

When my wife applied for her residency I was required to fill out and sign an application I 864 form affidavit of support. This document assigns me as the sponsor of the new immigrant and a legal avenue for the goverment to recoup any dis allowed means tested benefits she recieves. It just p1sses me off royal to see families walking across the border unsponsored feeding at the public trough. Through the process I paid almost $1500.00 in application fees that support and fund the immigation process. Multiply that by 12 million and at that to the illegal tab

[wehotex]

Originally Posted by cynwldkat

It is interesting that the federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly allowance of $1, 890.00 and each can also get an additional $580.00 in social assistance for a total of $2,470.00.

This compares very well to a single pensioner who after contributing to the growth and development of America for 40 to 50 years can only receive a monthly maximum of $1, 012.00 in old age pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement.

Maybe our pensioners should apply as refugees!

Lets send this to all Americans, so we can all be ticked off and maybe we can get the refugees cut back to $1012.00 and the pensioners up to $2,470 00 and enjoy some of the money we were forced to submit to the Government over the last 40 or 50 years.

interesting! do you a website source for that?

[bryan61]

Its all been debunked as mythical hyperbole and all kinds of references takin out of context. The original quote was from Canada and it was butchered on down the line until it appeared here.

I would say in spirit the sentiment is very accurate, the benefits an illegal recieves upon their arrival in the land of milk and honey is a golden parachute compared to where they come from. Not so much for the immigrant that obeys the law though

[wehotex]

Originally Posted by RaePena

When did you ever hear "those people" say we want a free ride. "Those people" DO NOT want your pitty, your money, your charity, or for you to even look in their direction (if you do). You really need to carefully watch the way you put your words. Who is we??? Do you represent all the "legals" and "Americans" or what. You are speaking for yourself. I think that "we" and "them" are some poor choice of words to use when trying to get a point across about "we" not being racist.

girl, you're just "splitting hairs". are you a taxpayer? have you ever lived in any of the areas most affected by the illegals, like so cal, arizona? i challenge you to live in those places to see if you would feel the same way that you obviously feel. you should not call somebody "racist" who does not feel the waythat you do about the illegals being here and sucking off the taxpayers if you have been through what they've been through.

[RuralCoastalGuy]

Originally Posted by cynwldkat

Cheap Labor?
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>>SO...WHO'S KIDDIN' WHO???
>>Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about? Business
>>doesn't want to pay a decent wage.
>>Consumers don't want expensive produce. Government will tell you
>>Americans don't want the jobs.
>>But the bottom line is cheap labor.
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>>The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, a lie...an oxymoron.
>>There is no such thing as "cheap labor." Take, for example, an
>>illegal alien with a wife and five children.
>>He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour.
>>At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the
>>end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an
>>"earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.
>>He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent. He qualifies
>>for food stamps. He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay)
>>health care. His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
>>He requires bilingual teachers and books. He qualifies for relief
>>from high energy bills. If they are or become, aged, blind or
>>disabled, they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can
>>qualify for Medicare
>>All of this is at the taxpayer's expense.
>>He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners
>>insurance.
>>Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed
material.
>>He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in
>>benefits.
>>Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after
>>paying their bills and his.
>>The American taxpayer's also pay for increased crime, graffiti and
>>trash clean up.
>>Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT!
>>Wake up USA!

Bravo! Many of us have woken up. I for one realize the power of my vote and have let everyone in my State and Federal districts know how I feel and how i will vote.

Here in North Carolina we manage to keep most of the illegals "contained" but soon that won't be enough.

Amnesty....NO.
Deportation.....YES!

Cheaper to build a fence along our southern border than to support these illegals.

[User 2]

Originally Posted by malamute

Unsourced --- but entirely reasonable.

Reasonable to what end?

It's data about a Canadian program for refugees, refugees aren't the illegal or legal immigrants people are trying to equate the data to, refugees are a whole 'nother class of immigrants who are treated separately from any other immigrant class, and it's not even data that applies to the US program for refugees.

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