Cop Killer an ILLEGAL Immigrant (illegally, prison, represent, crimes)

[foma]

The officer who died was also a cancer survivor. He just got of desk duty after recuperating from the disease so I thought this was especially disheartening.

I am not one of those gung-ho "let's kick 'em all out" type anti-illegal activists but I do think this was a very sad incident. I lost my Dad to cancer so I know the dear struggle the family went through and now this. It does make you wonder what needs to be done about illegal immigration.

AZ put into (or will put into) effect a law imposing strict penalties on companies who hire illegals. There is speculation that a lot of illegals have fled the state to find work elsewhere. Maybe of other states followed suit this could be part of the solution.

[7h3.6h057]

"who's the illegal immigrant, pilgrim?" when will people stop blaming their immigrant status and start blaming the fact that the man was obviously violent? we have violent citizens, but we're not rushing to deport them! and what would this do to the thousands of "illegals" that are here working the crap jobs and keeping our economy afloat? a month with no migrant workers (even just "illegal" ones) would be disastrous to us. we have no idea. we just like to point fingers and assign blame when emotions run high.

[Nea1]

Originally Posted by 7h3.6h057

"who's the illegal immigrant, pilgrim?" when will people stop blaming their immigrant status and start blaming the fact that the man was obviously violent? we have violent citizens, but we're not rushing to deport them! and what would this do to the thousands of "illegals" that are here working the crap jobs and keeping our economy afloat? a month with no migrant workers (even just "illegal" ones) would be disastrous to us. we have no idea. we just like to point fingers and assign blame when emotions run high.

You know before you start posting this stupid crap, go back and read the other thousand posts where we have already discussed this. Our economy will be just fine,like we were before the invasion. And BTW we cant deport our own citizens but we can put them in prison. the people on this forum have been personally affected by this, so we base our thoughts on our experiences. A month without an illegal would be heaven!!!!! And yes the balme is on them they are doing it. Just like the businesses that hire them. Wish i could deport them as well.

[7h3.6h057]

Originally Posted by Nea1

You know before you start posting this stupid crap, go back and read the other thousand posts where we have already discussed this. Our economy will be just fine,like we were before the invasion. And BTW we cant deport our own citizens but we can put them in prison. the people on this forum have been personally affected by this, so we base our thoughts on our experiences. A month without an illegal would be heaven!!!!! And yes the balme is on them they are doing it. Just like the businesses that hire them. Wish i could deport them as well.

a couple things 1. when was pre-invasion? we've been involved with mexican laborers since before the beginning of the 20th century. things have changed dramatically since then.. so exactly how are we to predict our economic response? 2. when you say "the blame is on them", do you mean the entire "illegal" immigrant populace? because that is an obvious hyperbole, and completely unsubstantiated. to deny that good and bad are being done by both citizens AND immigrants is purely segregationalist. and prejudices dont mix well with rationale.

[foma]

In reference to:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/1550587-post12.html

I don't know if you were responding to my post but the point that I was trying to make is it is a damn shame this officer, a cancer survivor, had to die needlessly. I think a lot of people are upset that this known gang member was deported, found a way to get back in and killed a man (or a woman or a child - it could've been anybody but all this publicity has surfaced b'c the person he killed was a cop).

Now, I know that immigrants (legal/illegal) provide a valuable service to our economy as do Americans who also do jobs that "nobody else wants to do".

This is an off-topic comment but the other day I was driving in an apparently immigrant-filled area and there were people protesting. I'm not sure what about but the posters I was able to read said things like, "We clean your toilets, build your houses" etc so I'm assuming it was some sort of illegal-immigration rally of sorts.

I thought about the signs and wondered "Okay, this is what a lot of illegal immigrants do for work but I know plenty of non-hispanics that do this kind of job, too. The difference is these illegal immigrants may be getting paid less which means the companies are making more money. This means that the money earned are not going to taxes. What illegal immigrant files taxes? This means that the 'little' money you make here in the USA is shipped to Mexico to feed your families and we all know that money goes a lot further in Mexico than it does in the U.S. All the while, none of the money the illegals have earned will go to services that are provided for the poor - which a lot of illegals sign up for."

I am very torn with this whole illegal immigration situation. I am of Asian descent and have known of illegals as well. The ones I've known work hard, are good citizens and all they really want is just to be able to survive, an otherwise almost unattainable goal in their homeland. Are they still here illegally? Yep. Should they be deported? Not the ones I knew but it doesn't work that way, does it?

[7h3.6h057]

Originally Posted by foma

In reference to:



I don't know if you were responding to my post but the point that I was trying to make is it is a damn shame this officer, a cancer survivor, had to die needlessly. I think a lot of people are upset that this known gang member was deported, found a way to get back in and killed a man (or a woman or a child - it could've been anybody but all this publicity has surfaced b'c the person he killed was a cop).

Now, I know that immigrants (legal/illegal) provide a valuable service to our economy as do Americans who also do jobs that "nobody else wants to do".

This is an off-topic comment but the other day I was driving in an apparently immigrant-filled area and there were people protesting. I'm not sure what about but the posters I was able to read said things like, "We clean your toilets, build your houses" etc so I'm assuming it was some sort of illegal-immigration rally of sorts.

I thought about the signs and wondered "Okay, this is what a lot of illegal immigrants do for work but I know plenty of non-hispanics that do this kind of job, too. The difference is these illegal immigrants may be getting paid less which means the companies are making more money. This means that the money earned are not going to taxes. What illegal immigrant files taxes? This means that the 'little' money you make here in the USA is shipped to Mexico to feed your families and we all know that money goes a lot further in Mexico than it does in the U.S. All the while, none of the money the illegals have earned will go to services that are provided for the poor - which a lot of illegals sign up for."

I am very torn with this whole illegal immigration situation. I am of Asian descent and have known of illegals as well. The ones I've known work hard, are good citizens and all they really want is just to be able to survive, an otherwise almost unattainable goal in their homeland. Are they still here illegally? Yep. Should they be deported? Not the ones I knew but it doesn't work that way, does it?

the companies reaping the benefits of migrant labor should be paying higher taxes to compensate. and as far as the immigrants taking the money down to mexico, oh well. the US has taken plenty of money from mexico. its called nafta.

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[Nea1]

Originally Posted by 7h3.6h057

a couple things 1. when was pre-invasion? we've been involved with mexican laborers since before the beginning of the 20th century. things have changed dramatically since then.. so exactly how are we to predict our economic response? 2. when you say "the blame is on them", do you mean the entire "illegal" immigrant populace? because that is an obvious hyperbole, and completely unsubstantiated. to deny that good and bad are being done by both citizens AND immigrants is purely segregationalist. and prejudices dont mix well with rationale.

I am saying before the invasion of the illegals, I am sorry but they were notat these numbers 100 years ago, nor did we offer all the freebies they get now, which having lived in a Border state, affected me and my family greatly. My family both sides came over legally. So should the illegals. And yes I say ALL illegals are at fault, it is their fault they come here illegally and drain our systems.

i dont deny good and bad are being done by both citizens and illegals. but you dont reward the illegals with amnesty, it teaches and shows our weakness. We will do just fine without them, how do you know fora fact we would not?. If businesses need them, they need to be sponsered, paid a livable wage and adhere to ALL our laws, assimilate , and not rely on the free benefits.

[Arizona Annie]

I suspect the last amnesty contributed greatly to the mass influx of people entering illegally. They thought why not, if we stay long enough they'll probably do another amnesty and we'll have it made. If we are stupid (or greedy) enough to do it again, we'll really be in trouble. Didn't you hear about the increase in illegal movement across our borders when the subject was only mentioned as a possibility?

By the way, I find it funny when people say the recent cop killer "managed to make it back into our country again after being deported". Obviously it is not that hard to "manage".

[7h3.6h057]

Originally Posted by Nea1

I am saying before the invasion of the illegals,

which was when again? [quote]I am sorry but they were notat these numbers 100 years ago,[/qutoe] neither was the legal population.

nor did we offer all the freebies they get now, which having lived in a Border state, affected me and my family greatly.

i live in south san diego. im 10 minutes away from tijuana. dont even use the border town argument with me.

My family both sides came over legally.

are you a full-blooded native american? if not, you're "illegal".

So should the illegals. And yes I say ALL illegals are at fault, it is their fault they come here illegally and drain our systems.

so what responsibility do we have for nafta and even cafta? our government has used corrupt foreign politicians to further rape the working class beyond the borders of the united states. what do you plan to do about that? your elected representatives legislated a drain on their systems. do you even agree with nafta?

i dont deny good and bad are being done by both citizens and illegals.

then mentioning their "illegal" status is irrelevant in the argument.

but you dont reward the illegals with amnesty, it teaches and shows our weakness.

yeah, its not compassion, its weakness. "give us your poor, your tired...", unless they're mexican?

We will do just fine without them, how do you know fora fact we would not?

i'll ask you: how do you know that we would? i can only make an educated guess, seeing as how the scenario hasnt manifested itself. but an absence of ANY sort of workers in that number would be disastrous.

If businesses need them, they need to be sponsered, paid a livable wage and adhere to ALL our laws, assimilate , and not rely on the free benefits.

why do they need to assimilate? america is supposed to be a melting pot of cultures. our citizens dont follow ALL our laws. a lot of our citizens rely on free benefits (welfare, disability, social security). but i do agree they need to be paid a livable wage. it could be accomplished by eliminating excessive government spending, inline with ron paul's position.