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Old 09-21-2007, 07:01 PM
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[quote=7h3.6h057;1551123]which was when again?
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I am sorry but they were notat these numbers 100 years ago,[/qutoe] neither was the legal population. i live in south san diego. im 10 minutes away from tijuana. dont even use the border town argument with me. are you a full-blooded native american? if not, you're "illegal". so what responsibility do we have for nafta and even cafta? our government has used corrupt foreign politicians to further rape the working class beyond the borders of the united states. what do you plan to do about that? your elected representatives legislated a drain on their systems. do you even agree with nafta? then mentioning their "illegal" status is irrelevant in the argument. yeah, its not compassion, its weakness. "give us your poor, your tired...", unless they're mexican? i'll ask you: how do you know that we would? i can only make an educated guess, seeing as how the scenario hasnt manifested itself. but an absence of ANY sort of workers in that number would be disastrous.

why do they need to assimilate? america is supposed to be a melting pot of cultures. our citizens dont follow ALL our laws. a lot of our citizens rely on free benefits (welfare, disability, social security). but i do agree they need to be paid a livable wage. it could be accomplished by eliminating excessive government spending, inline with ron paul's position.
well said man. I agree.
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Old 09-22-2007, 05:54 PM
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are you a full-blooded native american? if not, you're "illegal".
I'd REALLY like to hear your explanation for THAT statement.
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Old 09-22-2007, 06:16 PM
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I think a lot of people are upset that this known gang member was deported, found a way to get back in and killed a man (or a woman or a child - it could've been anybody but all this publicity has surfaced b'c the person he killed was a cop).
I think this is one of the problems with deporting known gang members. They seem to come back. We might be better off if we charged them with crimes and locked them up rather than deporting them.
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I think this is one of the problems with deporting known gang members. They seem to come back. We might be better off if we charged them with crimes and locked them up rather than deporting them.
Agreed but then if we did that, non-citizens would be draining our tax dollars. Solutions are never easy.
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Old 09-22-2007, 07:53 PM
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Agreed but then if we did that, non-citizens would be draining our tax dollars. Solutions are never easy.
I think, in the case of MS-13, it's been proven that they come back to the USA as soon as they can -- and they don't cross illegally at the border. They get on planes and fly back. (Some TV show had a program about this.) Anyway, I think the only way to get them off the street is to put them in prison and keep them there. Yeah, it costs money but it costs the other way too.
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Old 09-23-2007, 02:30 AM
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Remember, this isn't the first time this has happened in Arizona, but it's the first time it was an officer who was killed. I think you are right, I'll bet even some of those who have been on the fence on his issue up to this point are now realizing this isn't just going to go away.
I have to correct my statement, the news reported a couple days ago this is the 3rd officer to be killed by an illegal alien in Arizona. They reviewed past murders of officers and determined there were actually 3, not just this one.
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Gang members like gangs....bring back 'the chain gang'. Let them do jobs americans won't do in Fargo in the winter, and scenic Bullhead city in the summer.
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Oh brother.. again. Only on the news because OMG!! The shooter was illegal! Oh no!!
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Officer slain; gunman takes hostage, is killed

Phoenix police Officer Nick Erfle survived two bouts of cancer to put back on his uniform and patrol the city's streets.

On Tuesday, a jaywalker shot him in the face and killed him.

The gunman, an illegal immigrant who had been deported last year, fled after shooting Erfle, commandeering a stopped car at gunpoint and ordering the motorist to drive. About an hour later, a Phoenix police tactical team surrounded Erik Jovani Martinez, 22, on a west Phoenix street and shot him dead as he pointed a gun at the hostage. The hostage was not hurt



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The citizens of the State of Arizona are now Pissed Off - BIG TIME! (As if they weren't before)

Those here illegally better pack their bags and "get out of Dodge" QUICK!
when i was young bad guys shot at cops cops shot back no more bad guys.
now bad guys shoot at cops cops shoot back cops go to jail.
cop gets shot hardly a tear shed. bad guy gets shot by cops the city goes nuts. the sky is cryin
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Old 11-01-2007, 07:10 PM
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I think what people are saying is if our government did there job this illegal would not have been here to shoot this officer, yes it could have been any -one that shot him but we should not have to worry about people that are not allowed in our country.
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