Mayor bashes Obama, Congress on immigration (driver's license, illegal aliens, driver, deported)

[softblueyz]

Seems to be some confusion. Bloomberg was talking about LEGAL immigration and Salinas was talking about ILLEGAL immigration. Bloomberg is no fan of illegals. He has slashed government programs - including Section 8, to discourage illegals who have US born children getting on the dole in NYC. As for Williamsburg it went through gentification, as so many neighborhoods have and is going through, which is a result of middle class people moving in and building up a neighborhood. Generally actors and artists are the ones that start the process.

To Salinas ILLEGALS are a source of revenue for Mexico. Highly unlikely that the illegals flowing over the border are going to fill these jobs:

The report said that the country faces a projected shortfall of 230,000 qualified workers in the science, technology, engineering and math fields by 2018 and that other countries are outmaneuvering the U.S. for talent with immigration policies that attract and retain skilled workers

Bloomberg is saying that the US doesn't have enough people who are educated, experienced and knowledgeable in the above areas, hence lifting restrictions on LEGAL immigration.

[Madd love]

Originally Posted by softblueyz

Seems to be some confusion. Bloomberg was talking about LEGAL immigration and Salinas was talking about ILLEGAL immigration. Bloomberg is no fan of illegals. He has slashed government programs - including Section 8, to discourage illegals who have US born children getting on the dole in NYC. As for Williamsburg it went through gentification, as so many neighborhoods have and is going through, which is a result of middle class people moving in and building up a neighborhood. Generally actors and artists are the ones that start the process.

To Salinas ILLEGALS are a source of revenue for Mexico. Highly unlikely that the illegals flowing over the border are going to fill these jobs:



Bloomberg is saying that the US doesn't have enough people who are educated, experienced and knowledgeable in the above areas, hence lifting restrictions on LEGAL immigration.

Bloomberg has always been pro illegal. He even implemented police not to question anyones immigration status.

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by Liquid Reigns

Why should we need to shut them down or board them up when it is usually the HR or department managers that hire them due to same ethnicity? House of Raefords comes to mind along with IFCO.

The Postville raid (Agriprocessors, Inc.) was endorsed for being completely shut down since the owner himself was involved, it was Progressives that cried that illegals were now being displaced and the town was going to become a ghost town.

Yep, you speak the truth LR but it will fall on deaf ears.

[desertdetroiter]

Originally Posted by Liquid Reigns

Why should we need to shut them down or board them up when it is usually the HR or department managers that hire them due to same ethnicity? House of Raefords comes to mind along with IFCO.

The Postville raid (Agriprocessors, Inc.) was endorsed for being completely shut down since the owner himself was involved, it was Progressives that cried that illegals were now being displaced and the town was going to become a ghost town.

That's a load of bull. You're already making excuses for these corporations....which is EXACTLY the point i was making.

[Liquid Reigns]

Originally Posted by desertdetroiter

That's a load of bull. You're already making excuses for these corporations....which is EXACTLY the point i was making.

Excuses? Load of Bull? Seems you are more after a corporation simply because they are "big business" and your puppet master has told you that "big business" is BAD, vs actually knowing anything about actual corporations. Exec boards don't hire illegals, HR and Managers due. Execs don't look at I-9 forms, HR and Managers do. You believe that Execs tell HR and Managers to hire the Illegals? Yet all those HR and Managers that have been tried in court and found guilty have yet to actually give up any Exec as having told them to hire the illegal.

Let me preempt your next claim: Small business corporations were they are 2/3 partners or husband and wife business (also known as execs) that have tax status as a corporation as well are what you are implying. These are the companies that hire almost all illegals. These small corporations should be closed if the owners are found to have hired illegals. These corporations are also much different then the corporations I spoke of above as not all corporations are the same.

You are doing nothing more than spouting Progressive rhetoric in a failed attempt to point out made up hypocrisy, but more power to you for showing ignorance.

[desertdetroiter]

Originally Posted by Liquid Reigns

Excuses? Load of Bull? Seems you are more after a corporation simply because they are "big business" and your puppet master has told you that "big business" is BAD, vs actually knowing anything about actual corporations. Exec boards don't hire illegals, HR and Managers due. Execs don't look at I-9 forms, HR and Managers do. You believe that Execs tell HR and Managers to hire the Illegals? Yet all those HR and Managers that have been tried in court and found guilty have yet to actually give up any Exec as having told them to hire the illegal.

Let me preempt your next claim: Small business corporations were they are 2/3 partners or husband and wife business (also known as execs) that have tax status as a corporation as well are what you are implying. These are the companies that hire almost all illegals. These small corporations should be closed if the owners are found to have hired illegals. These corporations are also much different then the corporations I spoke of above as not all corporations are the same.

You are doing nothing more than spouting Progressive rhetoric in a failed attempt to point out made up hypocrisy, but more power to you for showing ignorance.

Let's not get carried away. You know about as much about corporations as any senior in high school. After all, you're just a poster on C-D....If you were as much of some sort of bigshot as you're subtly trying to make yourself out to be, you wouldn't be here.

That said, again, you're making excuses. If they're hiring illegals ROUTINELY, as many companies to, then the buck has to stop at a much higher level than just H.R. The big boys know that cheap labor ='s big bucks....and if that labor is being hired at their particular corporation, they KNOW it. You're using ignorance as an excuse.

So my original point stands.

[Liquid Reigns]

Originally Posted by desertdetroiter

Let's not get carried away. You know about as much about corporations as any senior in high school. After all, you're just a poster on C-D....If you were as much of some sort of bigshot as you're subtly trying to make yourself out to be, you wouldn't be here.

Originally Posted by desertdetroiter

That said, again, you're making excuses. If they're hiring illegals ROUTINELY, as many companies to, then the buck has to stop at a much higher level than just H.R. The big boys know that cheap labor ='s big bucks....and if that labor is being hired at their particular corporation, they KNOW it. You're using ignorance as an excuse.

So my original point stands.

I'll repeat it for you....Large Corporate Execs do not hire nor do they tell lower HR or managers to hire illegal aliens. Many illegals get through simply on their forged documents due to I-9 requirements (against the law to discriminate:http://www.i-9employmenteligibility....imination.html). Managers and HR have never rolled on any Exec of a large corporation saying they were told to directly hire illegal aliens, don't you think HR and managers would roll on higher-ups (plea bargain) to lessen their sentence or get out of it all together?

Like I previously stated, you are more after a corporation (big business) simply because they are "big business" and your puppet master has told you that "big business" is BAD, vs actually knowing anything about actual corporations.

Please explain how an Exec knows that HR or managers are hiring illegals since there are requirements with the I-9 form. (NOTE: this is where you claim they have large profits due to having hired illegals and they should know that due to those high profits they have illegals working for them.)

[softblueyz]

Originally Posted by Madd love

Bloomberg has always been pro illegal. He even implemented police not to question anyones immigration status.

Do you know how many states tried to implement a policy where police could stop anyone and question their legality as to being in the US and were shut down from doing so because it was a "civil right violation"? I couldn't care less if I was stopped and questioned about my legal right to be in the country because I'm not committing a crime - being in the US illegally.

Bloomberg defied ICE and released illegals being held for deportation. Why? Because he didn't want the cost of detaining illegals to eat into the budget, not out of the kindness of his heart. He's doing everything he can to discourage citizens from getting on government programs - going as far as offering citizens tickets to relocate anywhere of their choice and giving them one month's rent to wherever they go. If he's doing that to citizens do you think he favors illegals being on government programs?

[Jayarcy]

Capital does indeed flow across the border. In this case it's all flowing south, while we get the poor, uneducated, and indigent in return. Does anyone have any idea just how much money flows south across the border? There's money given to Mexico to fight the drug war, money from remittances, and money that goes to drug cartels. It's litterally in ther billions. If the border was secure, these three sources of money leaving the country, and for which we get nothing in return, would come to an end.

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by softblueyz

Do you know how many states tried to implement a policy where police could stop anyone and question their legality as to being in the US and were shut down from doing so because it was a "civil right violation"? I couldn't care less if I was stopped and questioned about my legal right to be in the country because I'm not committing a crime - being in the US illegally.

Bloomberg defied ICE and released illegals being held for deportation. Why? Because he didn't want the cost of detaining illegals to eat into the budget, not out of the kindness of his heart. He's doing everything he can to discourage citizens from getting on government programs - going as far as offering citizens tickets to relocate anywhere of their choice and giving them one month's rent to wherever they go. If he's doing that to citizens do you think he favors illegals being on government programs?

Actually, no. There are no laws that have been implemented where the police are allowed to stop anyone at random (based on looks in particular) and question their status in this country. This is the propaganda being spread by the defenders of illegal aliens. They are claming the lie of racial profling. The police can only question your status in this country if you are stopped for an infraction of the law (lawful contact, not random questioning). If a person can provide a valid ID such as a DL there are no further questions about one's status in this country. Where is the Civil Right's violation? There isn't any!

But like I you, I have no problem with being stopped for anything by LE because I have nothing to hide and want illegal aliens detained and deported under this "lawful contact" criteria.