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Old 09-23-2007, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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There are a lot of Mexican groups out there that promote the repatriation of America. That is why they are leaving Mexico and coming here.
Yet; few Mexicans wish to 'reclaim' Central America------that area was a part of Mexico from 1821-23 till El Salvador, etc. said 'adios'.

Selective memory I suppose------and, 'no' money down there either.

The way things are going; I truly believe that we will wind up annexing the northern tier of Mexican states within the next 20 years.
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Old 09-24-2007, 11:28 AM
 
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The wealthy in Mexico are very wealthy...and definately not the majority. The majority of the people are very poor. They need to clean up their government, or lack of government.
Wow really? Thats something new! Maybe you could go tell President Vicente that he needs to clean up the government, and all our problems will be solved!
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Old 09-24-2007, 12:27 PM
 
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Wow really? Thats something new! Maybe you could go tell President Vicente that he needs to clean up the government, and all our problems will be solved!
Why dont the illegals stay in their own country and clean up?

If they do not want to they can at least come here legally, or pay back everything they got for free plus interest because of inflation.

If there lives suck in Latin America, it does not give them the right to leach off us.
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Old 09-24-2007, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Wow really? Thats something new! Maybe you could go tell President Vicente that he needs to clean up the government, and all our problems will be solved!
Your knowledge about Mexico is astounding------NOT: last time I checked; the president of SOB is Felipe Calderon, not Fox.
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Old 09-24-2007, 07:37 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Why are they leaving Mexico exactly?

According to the Wiki, Mexico is an upper middle class country so surely these people are not dirt poor.
that was easy.
once upon a time
people here used to be puritans, very religious. had big time work ethic.
but then the people turned away from religion. and with it turned away from work ethic.
the people that run things here want people here that got work ethic.
presto
mexican people.
now wasn't that easy
??
stephen s
san diego ca
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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that was easy.
once upon a time
people here used to be puritans, very religious. had big time work ethic.
but then the people turned away from religion. and with it turned away from work ethic.
the people that run things here want people here that got work ethic.
presto
mexican people.
now wasn't that easy
??
stephen s
san diego ca
You forgot to add a sentence:

lawbreakers who thumb their noses at authority.
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Old 10-25-2007, 05:02 PM
 
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It is interesting that most of the mexicans I have talked with at work (from Mexico) are not even aware that Vicente Fox is not the president! That sort of bespeaks political apathy in a large segment of society there, doesn't it????? Orrrrrrrrrrrr, could it be that some have been here so long that they no longer care????
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Old 10-25-2007, 06:19 PM
 
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Several reasons:

One is severe racism SOB; Mexico is very White Supremacist------never mind to us 'Anglos', they are all Hispanic.

Another, probably bigger reason is the general lack of rule of law------again, unlike El Norte where even a darkskinned Mexican family of illegal immigrants has more de facto rights than back 'home'. Read that the US police will not try to rape the man's wife, etc.

Third factor is so much of that country's wealth is concentrated in the hands of few----------despite the growing class divide in the USA, Mexico is much, much worse.
All very good points, ones not often mentioned in the press reports....
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Old 10-25-2007, 06:31 PM
 
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Then most of the immigrants that come here are what: ameridian, mestizo?
"Mexicans" is an often-misused term---technically, it's a nationality, like French or Japanese.

Most of the Mexican illegals we see here in California do tend to be dark-skinned Mestizos. Lighter people either stay home in Mexico, (where their life is generally easier) or are not "noticed" so much when they do arrive here--although I've known a number of fair, blonde Mexicans, some in "status" jobs, and others working as landscape laborers. Mexico is a highly mixed-race society. Northern Mexico, by-and-large, tends to be slightly "whiter" than the South, but of course there are many exceptions.
In addition, here in California there are large numbers of Mexican Indians, usually living a life far tougher than the "mestizos". Some are unable to speak Spanish, and must rely on a "head man" to negotiate wages, deal with police, etc. Some of these people speak Nahuatl or Mixtec. These people usually live WAY below the "radar", but there are plenty of them. Often they live in substandard conditions right on the ranches where they work, unable even to participate fully in the "normal" illegal-alien society.
It CAN get complicated....
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Old 10-25-2007, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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"Mexicans" is an often-misused term---technically, it's a nationality, like French or Japanese.

Most of the Mexican illegals we see here in California do tend to be dark-skinned Mestizos. Lighter people either stay home in Mexico, (where their life is generally easier) or are not "noticed" so much when they do arrive here--although I've known a number of fair, blonde Mexicans, some in "status" jobs, and others working as landscape laborers. Mexico is a highly mixed-race society. Northern Mexico, by-and-large, tends to be slightly "whiter" than the South, but of course there are many exceptions.
In addition, here in California there are large numbers of Mexican Indians, usually living a life far tougher than the "mestizos". Some are unable to speak Spanish, and must rely on a "head man" to negotiate wages, deal with police, etc. Some of these people speak Nahuatl or Mixtec. These people usually live WAY below the "radar", but there are plenty of them. Often they live in substandard conditions right on the ranches where they work, unable even to participate fully in the "normal" illegal-alien society.
It CAN get complicated....
True enough:

Here in the Phx area; many of the dark skinned Mexicans from Oaxaca state tend to live in the Sunnyslope district-------apparently; most of them are quite indigenous with their American Indian heritage. They apparently are 'ostracized' by the 'whiter' Mestizo Hispanics.
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