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Old 06-11-2012, 08:39 AM
 
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But what evidence points to the new generation sustaining the same birth rate? There isn't. These people will be the ones to start moving back to Mexico when crime and economic issues improve. They're not going to stay poor forever, and they certainly will not be having 5-6 kids every generation. Illegal Mexicans have been coming here since the 1950s and 1960s, and even then their high birth rate hasn't displaced anyone, and has slowed down. In fact, before the 1990s, even all these Mexicans predominantly settled in areas that were already Mexican majority. The southern half of Texas's counties are majority Hispanic, and always have been.
The latest census figures are evidence of these trends, but you are right that it may not continue as at present. We can hope not..

 
Old 06-11-2012, 08:41 AM
 
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There is no sign that it is getting better or that it won't last decades.

As for Colombia, Colombia is not out of the woods yet either. The 80's narc war is over but mainly because Mexico became the main narco country. The government in Colombia is still at war with paramilitary groups. In fact the paramilitary groups still have a lot of power and influence. The government there changed a lot of their laws, extradited a lot of their biggest narcs to US, and the crime rate went way down in Bogota (the capital) but the paramilitary groups like the FARC still cause all kinds of havoc in the interiors of the country.
 
Old 06-11-2012, 08:46 AM
 
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There is no sign that it is getting better or that it won't last decades.

As for Colombia, Colombia is not out of the woods yet either. The 80's narc war is over but mainly because Mexico became the main narco country. The government in Colombia is still at war with paramilitary groups. In fact the paramilitary groups still have a lot of power and influence. The government there changed a lot of their laws, extradited a lot of their biggest narcs to US, and the crime rate went way down in Bogota (the capital) but the paramilitary groups like the FARC still cause all kinds of havoc in the interiors of the country.
Yes it has, but it's not causing the widespread disruptions that it once did. Most people regard Colombia as a more stable country than Mexico. It WILL get better in Mexico especially since they are better positioned to grow more than Colombia. If Mexico and/or the US decriminalized weed, the political situation of Mexico will better.

I read it, but I don't see the point you're trying to make.
 
Old 06-11-2012, 08:47 AM
 
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What slows Mex/Mex-American rates down is assimilation. If your counting on Mexicans not coming in because Mexico is improving it's not a good bet. Mexico is going down a sh** hole. If anything one thing that might happen is more Mexicans immigrating to other countries instead of U.S.
 
Old 06-11-2012, 08:50 AM
 
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Mexico has a big election coming up right now. Remember their prez's serve one term, six years. They are at a crucial point. Whatever happens under this coming prez will shape a lot of that country's future. Right now, right now I think Colombia's future looks much brighter...

Don't count on our "liberal" prez to decriminalize weed if he's re-elected. He's the same guy who skirted around the issue when it was brought up at the summit of americas. He's also same guy who's been very gun-ho with DEA and shutting down Weed shops in Cali...
 
Old 06-11-2012, 08:52 AM
 
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What slows Mex/Mex-American rates down is assimilation. If your counting on Mexicans not coming in because Mexico is improving it's not a good bet. Mexico is going down a sh** hole. If anything one thing that might happen is more Mexicans immigrating to other countries instead of U.S.
And thus, the Mexican problem here is solved. Why would Mexicans come here if there is no work to be found? Hell, most immigrants would start leaving the US. But, I think you have an overly pessimistic attitude regarding Mexico. Indicators all say Mexico will be a developed country this century on par with Europe and US and Canada. Other Latin American countries will join up as well, so the doom boom and gloom predicted by the anti-illegal immigration crowd is most likely not going to materialize.
 
Old 06-11-2012, 08:53 AM
 
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Mexico has a big election coming up right now. Remember their prez's serve one term, six years. They are at a crucial point. Whatever happens under this coming prez will shape a lot of that country's future. Right now, right now I think Colombia's future looks much brighter...

Don't count on our "liberal" prez to decriminalize weed if he's re-elected. He's the same guy who skirted around the issue when it was brought up at the summit of americas. He's also same guy who's been very gun-ho with DEA and shutting down Weed shops in Cali...
This I agree with. Mexico is more likely to budge on the drug issue than we are.
 
Old 06-11-2012, 08:54 AM
 
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I think a lot of Latin America is positioned better than Mexico at this juncture. They have some huge problems right now...
 
Old 06-11-2012, 10:05 AM
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I think this entire conversation is built for politics and inflaming the racists only.

Facts - Hispanics are co-leading the way in interracial/ethnic marriage, and by 2050 we will be more integrated (IMO) to the point where this "majority" will be moot.

America has historically done a pretty good job of assimilating immigrants. Increased intermarriage between whites, hispanics (who may or may not consider themselves white), and asians is a sign of this



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According to the Pew report, more than 25 percent of Hispanics and Asians who married in 2010 had a spouse of a different race.[LEFT]
Read more: Interracial Marriage Hits Record High, Driven by Latino Population Growth | Fox News Latino
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Interracial Marriages in U.S. Reach a Record - WSJ.com
 
Old 06-11-2012, 11:21 AM
 
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Yes it has, but it's not causing the widespread disruptions that it once did. Most people regard Colombia as a more stable country than Mexico. It WILL get better in Mexico especially since they are better positioned to grow more than Colombia. If Mexico and/or the US decriminalized weed, the political situation of Mexico will better.



I read it, but I don't see the point you're trying to make.
Your previous post claims they are not displacing any demographic and that is simply not true in many areas. Another I can think of is parts of Chicago besides New Orleans. Southeast San Diego is yet another.


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and even then their high birth rate hasn't displaced anyone, and has slowed down. In fact, before the 1990s, even all these Mexicans predominantly settled in areas that were already Mexican majority.
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