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Old 06-16-2012, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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Rubio isn't president of the the U.S. so who cares what he thinks or wants. Most don't believe Obama did the right thing so and I can't fathom how anyone who cares about the American worker would think so.
The American worker is stronger than you believe, and if not, they need to learn to adapt to changing circumstances, just like anyone else.

 
Old 06-16-2012, 11:33 AM
 
Location: California
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Great news. While it's political pandering, it's also the right thing to do. Not that many on this forum are going to take the reasoned approach to this news, as the thread shows, though. And let's be honest, aside from being the right thing to do, it completely boxes in and embarrasses conservatives and the GOP, who will only look bad by disagreeing. Whatever chance the GOP had in wooing the (legal) latino vote just flew out the proverbial window. That's awesome on so many levels.
It does no such thing as this is but DHS policy that can be changed at a whim. The GOP gets 30% of the Latino vote no matter what. You fail in seeing the lack of support for wanting to vote this election cycle, nobody is riled up to vote, the likeliness of anybody becoming riled up is really pretty low. Obama lost more than he gained (maybe 1M votes) with this DHS policy, especially form the unemployed (15-20M votes). The right thing to do is to think of US citizens/LPR's first, not illegal persons.
 
Old 06-17-2012, 07:41 AM
 
Location: World
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I am from immigrant background myself and Just being in USA legally for 5 years do not entitle any immigrant to get benefits like social security, medicare, foodstamps, unemployment. Please understand thge rules. It clearly says that anybody on work visa, dependent visa, student visa, visitor visa no matter how many years they are here are not eligible for any benefits but they are required by law to contribute to social security, medicare etc. out of their salary. only if you have green card for 5 years, then you may get benefits but Obama didnt say that those illegals are getting green cards.
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According to "the rules" an immigrant only needs to be here for 5 years to be eligible for unemployment, food stamps, etc. The criteria for these illegal aliens is to have already been here 5 years. Guess what, once they become legal they automatically become eligible for the free handouts. Once they become legal they are allotted SS and Medicare. Your claim of it only being for citizens is false. Please understand the rules.
 
Old 06-17-2012, 08:38 AM
 
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The American worker is stronger than you believe, and if not, they need to learn to adapt to changing circumstances, just like anyone else.
Not without jobs. There are simply not enough jobs for the American workers and I think from some of the pictures of long lines of job seekers, it's pretty clear we did not need 800,000 job applicants dumped into our fragile economy.
 
Old 06-17-2012, 12:05 PM
 
Location: California
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I am from immigrant background myself and Just being in USA legally for 5 years do not entitle any immigrant to get benefits like social security, medicare, foodstamps, unemployment. Please understand thge rules. It clearly says that anybody on work visa, dependent visa, student visa, visitor visa no matter how many years they are here are not eligible for any benefits but they are required by law to contribute to social security, medicare etc. out of their salary. only if you have green card for 5 years, then you may get benefits but Obama didnt say that those illegals are getting green cards.
You might try checking your sources, Federal law even states that immigrants after 5 years are entitled to welfare, etc., there is no citizen only requirement. LPR's can receive federal aid and state welfare after being here legally for 5 years, so can asylees, immigrants on parole, i.e. refugees, aliens with orders of dportation withheld, etc. http://www.utexas.edu/lbj/uscir/respapers/iot-jul97.pdf Please attempt to understand exactly what it states.

Those here working on visas can opt to have SS withheld and sent to their home nation, they can also have it kept here and apply later from their home nation or if they are granted LPR status here can apply for it here, they can even opt to not have it withheld from their paychecks. My wife is an immigrant, so please, don't think you hold the bag on understanding the reules/laws, obviously you don't know what you think you do.
 
Old 06-17-2012, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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It does no such thing as this is but DHS policy that can be changed at a whim. The GOP gets 30% of the Latino vote no matter what. You fail in seeing the lack of support for wanting to vote this election cycle, nobody is riled up to vote, the likeliness of anybody becoming riled up is really pretty low. Obama lost more than he gained (maybe 1M votes) with this DHS policy, especially form the unemployed (15-20M votes). The right thing to do is to think of US citizens/LPR's first, not illegal persons.
Keep telling yourself that. Latinos overwhelmingly already support Democrats, and they continue to be a growing voting bloc. This is only bad news for conservatives/GOP, and pounding the anti-illegal immigration drum at a time when illegal immigration is already plummeting serves no real purpose other than to further alienate those latinos who can and do vote.
 
Old 06-17-2012, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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Not without jobs. There are simply not enough jobs for the American workers and I think from some of the pictures of long lines of job seekers, it's pretty clear we did not need 800,000 job applicants dumped into our fragile economy.
Except that the evidence shows otherwise. I have brought up this before, but in 1999-2000, illegal immigration was high year to year and unemployment was very low. This would simply not be possible had illegals been taking so many jobs as to have an effect on employment rates. The only reason that unemployment is high now has nothing to do with illegals and everything to do with awful decisions made by people on both sides of the political aisle for many years. And you forget that immigration rates, at least illegal immigration, despite the disbelief of those here, is down and probably at a negative now for the same reason: economics.
 
Old 06-17-2012, 02:01 PM
 
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Keep telling yourself that. Latinos overwhelmingly already support Democrats, and they continue to be a growing voting bloc. This is only bad news for conservatives/GOP, and pounding the anti-illegal immigration drum at a time when illegal immigration is already plummeting serves no real purpose other than to further alienate those latinos who can and do vote.
Yes just like they overwhelmingly supported the PRI party for over 7 decades. No way will the majority of latinos ever vote to cut taxes or rein in government spending or vote pro-life because face-it- 70% of latinos are rabidly liberal and dependent on welfare programs. 66% of births to latino women in California are paid for by Medicaid. A 68% illegitimate birth rate helps to ensure the government and welfare dependency of these people.
 
Old 06-17-2012, 02:06 PM
 
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And as latinos overwhemingly are very liberal voters and will vote for democrats no matter what, you really have to wonder how much Obama really could have though he would gain by this little political trick. He's gloating now -- he thinks he's really hit the jackpot for votes but it's not as though illegals were wavering and considering voting Republican.

And the tiny margin of swing latino votes isn't necessarily about unlimited immigration and the rewarding of anyone who comes here illegally -- there may be some of them who don't like the direction this economy is going, may be more concerned about jobs for the American people than about catering to every whim of foreigners who simply want to live here instead of in their own countries.
 
Old 06-17-2012, 03:25 PM
 
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Yes just like they overwhelmingly supported the PRI party for over 7 decades. No way will the majority of latinos ever vote to cut taxes or rein in government spending or vote pro-life because face-it- 70% of latinos are rabidly liberal and dependent on welfare programs. 66% of births to latino women in California are paid for by Medicaid. A 68% illegitimate birth rate helps to ensure the government and welfare dependency of these people.
Also, how is it alienating the Latino voter to want our immigration laws respected and enforced? Whether or not new illegal immigration is down or up isn't the issue. The issue is those here already and they still are by the millions. Why do so many Latinos think that illegal aliens should be rewarded rather than deported as our laws demand? I wish just one of them would answer that question "truthfully".
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