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Old 06-17-2012, 11:31 PM
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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Originally Posted by malamute View Post
Yes just like they overwhelmingly supported the PRI party for over 7 decades. No way will the majority of latinos ever vote to cut taxes or rein in government spending or vote pro-life because face-it- 70% of latinos are rabidly liberal and dependent on welfare programs. 66% of births to latino women in California are paid for by Medicaid. A 68% illegitimate birth rate helps to ensure the government and welfare dependency of these people.
You do realize that the PRI stayed in power not through democratic elections, but through the party simply handing over power to their next in line?

Most latinos are actually Catholic, at least Mexicans, which is the largest group in the US. The big difference is that they are not nutty evangelicals who believe that their personal morality be dictated by government onto the personal lives of all. And in that regard, Democrats more closely resemble their beliefs... along with not being rabidly racist and xenophobic. It's not that they are "rabidly liberal", it's just that they think the GOP sucks and it spends far too much time focusing on stupid social issues and controlling individual freedoms. If the GOP ever bothered to study up on Latin American histories (not just Mexico), they would know that a distrust in government control in personal lives does not play very well at all, even if they might personally disagree with things like abortion or gay rights.

I'd also like to know if you have any actual studies to back up your claims.

Old 06-18-2012, 02:51 AM
Location: World
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If you see your links, Social security agreement covers only 24 countries. Countries like India, China, Phillipines, vietnam which send lot of immigrants to US are not covered. So an employee on work visa in US who is Indian citizen will have to contribute towards social security even though he is staying for a short period of time but he is not entitled for any benefits out of that and he cannot choose to not contribute.

also your second link:- Read from here. My point is about foreigners who are on visa in USA not eligible in getting benefits after they are in USA for 5 years. An Indian IT worker who is in USA since 2003 on H-1B visa - 9 years in USA- will have to contribute towards social security for all these 9 years and not eligible for any benefits becoz he is not a green card holder.

III. “Federal Public Benefits”

Aliens who are not “qualified aliens” are ineligible for “Federal Public Benefits”.
A. Examples of aliens who are not qualified are:

Non-immigrants (temporary residents) Individuals here on time-limited visas to work, study, or travel. Undocumented immigrants Individuals who entered as temporary residents and overstayed their visas, or are engaged in activities forbidden by their visa, or who entered without a visa. Others Individuals who are given temporary administrative statuses (e.g. stay of deportation, voluntary departure) until they can formalize permanent status, or individuals paroled for less than one year, or individuals under deportation procedures. B. Definition of “Federal Public Benefit” (Sec 401)

The statute defines a “federal public benefit” as:
  • Any grant, contract, loan, professional or commercial license provided by an agency of the United States or by appropriated funds of the United States; and
  • Any retirement, welfare, health, disability, public or assisted housing, postsecondary education, food assistance, unemployment benefit, or any other similar benefit for which payments or assistance are provided to an individual, household, or family eligibility unit by the United States or by funds of the United States.
The HHS interpretation of the term “federal public benefit” published in the Federal Register on August 4, 1998 (63 FR 41658 – 41661) states that the following HHS programs meet the definition of “Federal Public Benefits” and are not otherwise excluded. Therefore, non-exempted providers of such benefits (see the exception from verification requirements for non-profit charitable organizations in V below) must verify the citizenship and immigration status of applicants in order to deny federal public benefits to non-qualified aliens.
  • Adoption Assistance
  • Administration on Developmental Disabilities (ADD) – State Developmental Disabilities Councils (direct services only)
  • ADD – Special Projects (direct services only)
  • ADD – University Affiliated Programs (clinical disability assessment services only)
  • Adult Programs/Payments to Territories
  • Agency for Health Care Policy and Research Dissertation Grants
  • Child Care and Development Fund
  • Clinical Training Grant for Faculty Development in Alcohol & Drug Abuse
  • Foster Care
  • Health Profession Education and Training Assistance
  • Independent Living Program
  • Job Opportunities for Low-Income Individuals (JOLI)
  • Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP)
  • Medicare (except that an alien who is lawfully present and was authorized to be employed with respect to wages used to establish his or her Medicare Part A entitlement, is eligible for Medicare benefits. For a definition of “lawfully present aliens”, please see 8 CFR 103.12.)
  • Medicaid (except assistance for an emergency medical condition)
  • Mental Health Clinical Training Grants
  • Native Hawaiian Loan Program
  • Refugee Cash Assistance
  • Refugee Medical Assistance
  • Refugee Preventive Health Services Program
  • Refugee Social Services Formula Program
  • Refugee Social Services Discretionary Program
  • Refugee Targeted Assistance Formula Program
  • Refugee Targeted Assistance Discretionary Program
  • Refugee Unaccompanied Minors Program
  • Refugee Voluntary Agency Matching Grant Program
  • Repatriation Program
  • Residential Energy Assistance Challenge Option (REACH)
  • Social Services Block Grant (SSBG)
  • State Child Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and
  • Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF).

[quote=Liquid Reigns;24790049]Let me explain it to you simply. US International SS Agreements U.S. International Social Security Agreements Now please, go read and understand what has been stated by both me and the SSA. Here is one about welfare: Summary of Immigrant Eligibility Restrictions Under Current Law I suggest you understand what "Qualified Aliens" means. Also understand that SSI (Supplemental Security Income: Supplemental Security Income) is not the same as SS (Social Security) deductions. Here lets look at the SNAP Program (food stamps):
Old 06-18-2012, 03:57 AM
Location: Tampa Florida
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What you call 'anchor babies' are American Citizens. The Constitution makes that so. If you don't think that is right, work to get the Constitution amended.
Old 06-18-2012, 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SoCalCroozer View Post
LOL...........First off, we are talking 800,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And these are supposedly "kids" or "young people". That means there have got to be atleast twice as many adults who have given birth to these illegal children. Pathetic! America has become a joke! Again we are talking more than half a million people, not just 80K. It's pathetic all these illegals are getting into this country, staying in this country, and giving birth to their own illegal anchor babies. So many of these young people that won't be deported are stealing jobs of US citizens. What about all the troops coming home in the next few years? Go Obongo you epic loser!
White House to halt deportation of young illegal immigrants | The Ticket - Yahoo! News
I guess I am having a hard time trying to feel one way or the other about this latest Obama strange behavior regarding 800,000 immigrants not getting deported. I am beginning to wonder if all those years ago back on Ellis Island when ALL those immigrants came here and were welcomed with opened arms was the beginning of perhaps one gigantic mistake by our president back then?? Just think..there would have been no great Italian food now, no wonderful Jewish culture now, no Polish food or wonderful polka music, no melting pot of all the different cultures out there who have taught us so much over the years. Stealing jobs?? Many of these immigrants CREATED jobs by opening their own businesses and continue to do so. Illegal anchor babies?? What is that??? I figured if a child was born here they became a citizen with no strings attached. If you are referring to the Hispanic race of people who come here I have to tell you that here in CT the Mexicans have landed and have created businesses all throughout our city. We have acquired new Mexican food restaurants, lawn services, constuction companies, roofers and more and these folks WORK. A few years back we hired an AMERICAN roofing company and I had to send them away because they were drinking while working on our roof. The roof ended up leaking in several places. I hired another company mostly Hispanic and the roof has yet to give me one issue. The second team came in, took no breaks, could barely speak English and did an amazing job...will have them back again in a heart beat if needed.
Maybe 800,000 is a ridiculous number but once they are here and are being productive and contributing to our society..what is a person suppose to do? As far as our soldiers coming home and looking for work, it isn't just THEM..it is also our kids graduating from college who cant find work. Obama has to learn to find balance in everything he does..he seems to lean one way with a HUGE discrepancy in what should be a balance between the right and wrong move to make. Inexperienced President for sure.
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