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Old 06-17-2012, 04:39 PM
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by EdwardA View Post
Finally someone from the other side addresses the issue somewhat. During Reagan's amnesty we were told it would be the last time yet we now have 11 million more illegals, minimum. So after this next amnesty will have to do another one in a few years for what 30 million illegals? When does it end?

These kids shouldn't be punished for their parents' violation of our laws nor should they benefit IMHO.
After Nafta was passed , do you think that those trucks running over the border didn't bring many illegals over too.. they were in the produce trucks , tractor trailers, and not all 11 million walked here.. they were driven over the border with nafta .

Invasion of the Invaded: NAFTA and the Rise of Illegal Immigration - Student Pulse

NAFTA has opened the border for capital and commerce. Naturally, when a border is opened for these reasons, other “undesirable” elements of economic integration cross the border as well, namely illegal drugs and illegal aliens. Tony Payan notes that under NAFTA, “truck traffic on the border has increased exponentially. Five to six million trucks cross the border in a given year.”40 While the flow of shipping might be more fluid and less restricted, creating opportunities for smuggling, this alone can not account for a rise in immigration since a variety of border security plans and initiatives have been tested since NAFTA, and none have been very successful. On duty border patrol agents increased from 3965 in 1993 to 9212 in 2000, yet immigration continued to rise.41 Yet, border crossing continued, even to the point where in 2005 the “Minutemen” of Arizona, a civilian organization, grabbed headlines when they announced their intention to use militias to patrol the border. Operation Hold the Line, launched by the Clinton Administration in 1994 under head of the Border Patrol Silvestre Reyes was an increase in military and police forces on the border around El Paso, Texas. Operation Hold the Line was soon duplicated in the form of Operation Gatekeeper in San Diego and Operation Safeguard in Arizona. It was seen by many as an attempt to mitigate the new openness of the border for illegals, and perhaps more central to the plan, to give the Democrats the edge on the growing immigration issue heading into the mid-term elections.42 In his book on Operation Gatekeeper, Joseph Nevins observes that the program “has had a significant impact in limiting unauthorized crossings of the boundary in the most urbanized seciotns of the San Diego sector. But overall, it has merely pushed the great bulk of extralegal crossers to more rural areas along the U.S.-Mexico boundary.” Nevins argues that more rural crossings succeed politically in making in rendering “the ‘illegal’ less visible.”43 He also quotes scholar Michael Huspek in noting that pushing illegal crossing into more rural areas, and often much more dangerous areas in the deserts of the Southwest helps to create “the perfect workers.”

Old 06-17-2012, 04:47 PM
Location: Warren County and loving it!
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Originally Posted by detwahDJ View Post
Workers already pay for these things with wage concessions.
Not all do. Many get their benefits absolutely free and enjoy raises each year. It's horrible here in NJ. I was a public worker. I did pay quite a bit into my pension but not a dime for my medical benefits.

Most people have to pay for both and they should. When it comes to public workers, they get automatic raises in addition to step increases.
Old 06-17-2012, 06:40 PM
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Originally Posted by Mach50 View Post
This thread is just another lame attempt to turn blacks against Hispanics, just like the anti's try to put all of Latin Americans vs Mexicans constantly. It hasn't worked up to this point.
Yep, a wingnut testing a new wedge issue.... Lame.
Old 06-17-2012, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzards27 View Post
Yep, a wingnut testing a new wedge issue.... Lame.
NOT wanting amnesty for a bunch of illegal alien invaders ain't being a "wingnut".
Old 06-17-2012, 11:06 PM
Location: Phoenix
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Originally Posted by Packard fan View Post
NOT wanting amnesty for a bunch of illegal alien invaders ain't being a "wingnut".
The biggest "wingnut" is that fool in the White House. The damn car is in the ditch because there is a
loose nut behind the wheel.

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