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The working class began taking hits long before illegal immigration became a front-page issue, and continues to suffer mostly for reasons unrelated to it. The current economic situation had absolutely nothing to do with immigration, legal or otherwise.
Very true. The construction industry is one that has been decimated by illegals. But to blame all this nations woe's on immigration legal or illegal is short sighted at best and delusional at worst.
The woe's of this nation begin and end with the out of control waste spending by the fed. 12 carrier battle groups costing 10's of billions to maintain. Imagine if we reduced the fleet by 1/3 what could be saved.
Look at the waste in ear marks and yet some would focus on immigration. Now I am all for eliminating all waste but do you focus on the dripping sink or the house is on fire?
Illegal immigration has been a major problem for 30-plus years in the US.
I could retire in Mexico, live in a nice rental (because we aren't allowed to purchase real estate) with a maid for less than $1,500 a month... Which is probably what I am going to do before Mexico is annexed to California.
Mexico has a strong middle class, something we no longer have in the states. I wonder how complex Mexico's immigration laws are for US citizens who want to retire there?
Not bad, as long as you have money. But if your poor or from Guatama or from any country south of Mexico you do not have the rights an Illegal has here.
Illegal immigration has been a major problem for 30-plus years in the US.
I could retire in Mexico, live in a nice rental (because we aren't allowed to purchase real estate) with a maid for less than $1,500 a month... Which is probably what I am going to do before Mexico is annexed to California.
Mexico has a strong middle class, something we no longer have in the states. I wonder how complex Mexico's immigration laws are for US citizens who want to retire there?
They're actually easier to deal with in my experience.
The people that come to work and have a good life are not the enemy- The enemy are drug cartels and their private armies that look to the north as a feeding ground for evil- Governments should concentrate and wage war on these bastards instead of avoiding the real issue and picking on the guy that waters your flowers and cuts your lawn.
The real monsters have to be exterminated- stop picking on some poor Mexican and his kids who want to escape evil.....Full force must be used to push back the jerks trying to turn America into a hell hole with more dope and more violence- that is the enemy.
Oddly there is no political will to use the military to protect the southern boarder....There have always been migratory illegals- yes there are more of them..but they always existed...BUT crazed and greedy drug gangs did not exist with such force and threat as they do now. Do you really want folks on your turf or close to it- who cut off heads and melt human beings in barrels of acid? This should be the focus of your hate.
Sorry, but those you portray as innocent little gardners, etc. are here in violation of our immigration laws and they are stealing jobs and benefits from Americans. They are just as guilty as the employers and our government. They all need to be held accountable. You're little so-called innocents need to be deported as our laws demand.
It's an assumption that all illegals do that, only 25% of Hispanics are on welfare and not all Hispanics are illegal (remember we have discussed this before).
I didn't say that all illegals get welfare. Many of the ones that have anchors in our country do however. Do you have a link to your 25% claim? No one including me has said that all Hispanics are illegal either. Are you just making this stuff up as you go along?
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Not all of those that make up the 25% are illegals or children of illegals. All you are doing is generalizing and stereotyping which could be why some of you are called racist.
If and only if you consider TANF to be the only welfare program. That is the cash handout that is limited to US citizens. Therefore only 25% of hispanics get TANF checks.
However far many more get Medicaid, food stamps, WIC coupons, free meals at schools, Section 8 housing. They get that through their US born children but the children cannot get the free money handout that is TANF.
66% of hispanic births in California are paid with Medicaid. A much higher rate than any other group. Of that 66%, you can pretty much figure that 66% will get food stamps, WIC and other welfare handouts.
Very true. The construction industry is one that has been decimated by illegals. But to blame all this nations woe's on immigration legal or illegal is short sighted at best and delusional at worst.
The woe's of this nation begin and end with the out of control waste spending by the fed. 12 carrier battle groups costing 10's of billions to maintain. Imagine if we reduced the fleet by 1/3 what could be saved.
Look at the waste in ear marks and yet some would focus on immigration. Now I am all for eliminating all waste but do you focus on the dripping sink or the house is on fire?
I believe both out of control wasteful spending and illegal immigration are the houses on fire. They are equally destroying our country.
It's an assumption that all illegals do that, only 25% of Hispanics are on welfare and not all Hispanics are illegal (remember we have discussed this before).
66.2% hispanic births covered by Medicaid. (That is welfare also)
Of that 66.2%, not likely all are illegal aliens, there are likely some citizen hispanics in there -- but almost no illegals are coming over and buying health care insurance, nor are they paying their hospital bills here.
A very large portion of hispanic children live off welfare handouts like food stamps, WIC, free meals at schools and are on Medicaid.
It would be very difficult for millions of illiterate and uneducated people who could not make it in their own country with it's much lower costs of living and where they understand the language to come here and afford the much higher costs of living without the government handouts supplementing the low wages they eagerly accept.
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