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Old 06-19-2012, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Half of Switzerland speaks German, and the other half speaks Dutch and you don't see them demonizing each other. Sometimes culture transcends government decreed boarders.
Switzerland has FOUR national languages : Italian, French, Romansh and German.

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Old 06-19-2012, 10:11 AM
 
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Switzerland has FOUR national languages : Italian, French, Romansh and German.

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But the country is divided by the languages geographically into four regions.
 
Old 06-19-2012, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Switzerland has FOUR national languages : Italian, French, Romansh and German.

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The Swiz are just watered down Germanics. So Germany and Switzerland are kin. As for Italian...they have similarities with the Germans..they tried out fascism and the Germans gave the Nazi thing a go...so they have a connection as far as mentality. Those French- they take just about any side that's winning..they like the Italians would rather eat and drink and let the world go to hell..NOW the Romanish...well Gypsies will go where the going is good and the food is free- a real happy family that tosses out the idea of boarder...except for Germany of course who still have that pesky ambition of ruling all of Europe and the world if they could..These people who don't like boarders should try living in a house without walls for a year...I hope you got a well stocked fridge and bar- cos' I am going to put my fat ass right down in your living room and stay a long while- maybe I might just stay forever....any invites? I didn't think so,
 
Old 06-19-2012, 10:15 AM
 
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There are two kinds or two classes- The Latin Americans who have mostly pure Spanish ancestors - and those that are a mix or pure indigenous people who have been there for a thousand years..Americans don't get this- The Spanish are the elite and the common "Indian" are held back though Mexico's internal racism...My son married a young girl from Chile--this young woman proudly states that her mother was from Spain- which in her mind makes her higher class.... The flood of immigrants that you call Latinos are acutally for the most part the natives...being pushed around by white Spanish elite.
No one is pure.
Humans have been mixing and intermingling since the beginning of mankind.
 
Old 06-19-2012, 11:31 AM
 
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There are two kinds or two classes- The Latin Americans who have mostly pure Spanish ancestors - and those that are a mix or pure indigenous people who have been there for a thousand years..Americans don't get this- The Spanish are the elite and the common "Indian" are held back though Mexico's internal racism...My son married a young girl from Chile--this young woman proudly states that her mother was from Spain- which in her mind makes her higher class.... The flood of immigrants that you call Latinos are acutally for the most part the natives...being pushed around by white Spanish elite.
If you are speaking of the so-called immigrants aka illegal aliens that are flooding our southern border their tribal ancestors were not indiginous to the U.S. so they are not native to this country. The descendants of the tribes that were are all full fledged citizens of this country.
 
Old 06-19-2012, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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TANF is only one form of welfare although many will claim it is the only handout program that is welfare.

TANF is the cash handout -- but all the government handouts like food stamps, Medicaid, WIC, Section 8 and many other programs really should count as welfare.

Yes, most hispanic babies are born to mothers that take food stamps, WIC, housing assistance, Medicaid but if the mother isn't here legally she's not being handed a check for cash. Not many illegals can afford the high costs of living here and our high medical care costs -- certainly not when they have so many children and take the lowest paying jobs. Most illegals couldn't afford their children when they were living in their own country either.
I don't think all of them take low paying jobs, it was stated by some anti-illegal in another thread that most of them have taken up landscaping and construction industries and those areas pay very well. I knew an illegal that made $36/hr in construction. It's only one case, but shows the possibility that not all are paid horribly (maids aren't paid badly either). The only ones that I can see getting paid horribly are those who work in restaurants and line factories since those areas already pay horribly to begin with (with or without papers). I'm not denying that some of them might use welfare through their American born children, but I think people exagerrate on the numbers (using U.S. as a whole).
 
Old 06-19-2012, 12:01 PM
 
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I don't think all of them take low paying jobs, it was stated by some anti-illegal in another thread that most of them have taken up landscaping and construction industries and those areas pay very well. I knew an illegal that made $36/hr in construction. It's only one case, but shows the possibility that not all are paid horribly (maids aren't paid badly either). The only ones that I can see getting paid horribly are those who work in restaurants and line factories since those areas already pay horribly to begin with (with or without papers). I'm not denying that some of them might use welfare through their American born children, but I think people exagerrate on the numbers (using U.S. as a whole).
Your example is the acception to the rule. If an employer pays an illegal alien the same he would have to pay a citizen or legal immigrant along with benefits then why are they taking the chance of doing something unlawful by hiring illegal aliens in the first place? The whole concept of hiring them is because they work cheaper. Come on!

A lot more of them get welfare through their anchor babies than you can imagine. Stats have been posted over and over on that in here.
 
Old 06-19-2012, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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Your example is the acception to the rule. If an employer pays an illegal alien the same he would have to pay a citizen or legal immigrant along with benefits then why are they taking the chance of doing something unlawful by hiring illegal aliens in the first place? The whole concept of hiring them is because they work cheaper. Come on!

A lot more of them get welfare through their anchor babies than you can imagine. Stats have been posted over and over on that in here.
The only stats I have seen are through here are 1 or 2 individual state stats or stats from anti-illegal conservative sites which I don't trust (I need more reliable sources).
 
Old 06-19-2012, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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Your example is the acception to the rule. If an employer pays an illegal alien the same he would have to pay a citizen or legal immigrant along with benefits then why are they taking the chance of doing something unlawful by hiring illegal aliens in the first place? The whole concept of hiring them is because they work cheaper. Come on!

A lot more of them get welfare through their anchor babies than you can imagine. Stats have been posted over and over on that in here.
So, I finally found a stats that include all of the U.S. and all types of welfare including school lunches, WIC, medicaid, TANF, food stamps, housing, rents and disability. The stats claim that 57% of immigrants legal or not use one type of these welfare. Surprisingly the report showed that legal immigrants have a higher usage (In Texas however you do have a point, more illegals use welfare in that state).

It's the best I could find and it doesn't really fully support either side since it has certain points that support your view and other points that support my view.

Study: 70% of Texas
Thirteen years after Congress overhauled the American welfare system, 57 percent of immigrants with children — those in the country legally or not — use at least one government, welfare program according to a report released Tuesday by the Center for Immigration Studies.

Illegal immigrants with children primarily use food assistance programs and Medicaid, with little or no cash or housing assistance. In contrast, legal immigrants have high usage rates for every type of program.
 
Old 06-19-2012, 08:21 PM
 
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Switzerland has FOUR national languages : Italian, French, Romansh and German.

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Were these languages forced on them due to illegal immigration? No, I think not!
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