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Old 09-29-2007, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska (most of the time)
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That one guy said it all. He "doesn't care about Belgian law". Europe is screwed, blued and tatooed.
I beg your pardon?

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I hope the objective and professional Ms. Fahidi does not get assassinated, a genuine threat in Europe as we now know. The rabid misogynists misrepresenting her religion would be the most likely culprits.
People get threatened, but not killed. It does not apply to all European countries. Europe os a continent, and eventhough we are similar in many ways, not all countries act the same. In Sweden, yes, we have this (unfortunately, he's a local, living in my neighbour town) "artist" who has been threatened by Al Qaida for making a round-about dog (a phenomena in Sweden) carrying Muhammed's "face", but I seriously doubt he will ever get killed by muslims as long as he stays in Sweden and don't go to an Arabic country.
One murder in Holland doesn't make all muslims in the 47 European countries blood thirsty murderers.

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The situation in the UK is worse than it is in Belgium; remember, the 7/7 terrorists were mainly UK nationals. Home-grown terrorists. Yikes.
What is the difference between Belgium and the UK in this case? The 7/7 terrorists were born and raised in England, and the same goes for most of those spoken about in the Belgium film. (It is about 15-25 year-olds)

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Eventually, when Europe is completely controlled by Islamofascists (I can see this happening in my lifetime as a young man), I believe they will attempt to exterminate all non-believers of Islam.

Which means you, and I, and everyone else you know who is a Jew, Christian, athiest, not hardcore enough Muslim, etc will be killed in the name of a religion that promotes peace and prosperity (but only if your a radical nut).
Living in Sweden, a European country...I cannot see this happening in MY lifetime (and I'm 18 years old mind you). Sure, we have lots of muslim immigrants, and yes, many of them do most certainly have problems with identyfying themselves with their new country's culture and laws, but they are not trying to take over. In fact, I would say it's the Orthodox Christians from Poland and Russia who are trying to take over the country with the maffia. But that doesn't go well with the thought that it is only "those Arabic muslims" who are being a problem to a country's well being.
In Sweden, all people seem to lose their religion. In my class, where 1/3 are arabic immigrants, I am the ONLY one confessing to a religion. Christianity. The fact is that most young people today aren't that interested in religion. And those who are, atleast in my school, are planning on returning to their parent's home countries.
The future will probably be more atheistic, and so I don't see my country turning into a radical religious country.


I am also concerned about the trends in my country and my neighbouring countries, where the governments are giving the muslims and all immigrants more and more space to do whatever they want, but I do not believe we will be overtaken by them. Many people come here to find a better life for themselves and their families. The problem is just that eventhough they try, they are sometimes not given the opportunity to do it. They have "lost" their homes, and are now trying to make a home in a new country with a new culture. That is always difficult, no matter where you come from.
The 15-25 year olds in Belgium that are being spoken about in the film are probably turning to radical islam since they feel lost. Their parents come from another country, from which they themselves may not come from if they are born in the new country, yet they are not fully from the new country since their parents aren't from there. They are therefore in a sort of limbo, not feeling like belonging to anything. And aren't, becasue of rascism, allowed to feel like citizens of the new country.
Radical islam is like a gang. And we all know about the gangs in the US. It is the same thing with muslims turning to radical islam. They want to belong to something, and here's something that provides a great sense of belonging. They create a new sense of belonging. They revolt from their new country - "if they don't want me then s**ew them! I don't agree with them, so I will fight them!"

I am born and raised in Sweden. I live in an all Swedish area (on the country), yet I feel like the government has forgotten about me and my neighbours. We pay the same taxes as everyone else in this country, yet those in town has a better way of living- they get busses after busses after busses for cheap prices, whilst we only get two school buses/day for outrages prices. The road is in a bad need of new pavement, yet they only put on new pavement in the neighbouring community. They raise the gas prices - since they want Sweden to be a leading country in the fight for global warming, and "we have such a well developed public transportation system, people should take the bus instead of the car" - but don't provide any buses for us to use instead of the cars.
I am upset with my government, and out here, we feel like we don't really matter to our politicians and the city-people. It's "us" and "them" here too.
I can understand the young immigrants all too well.


The problem with the muslims and the native Europeans today, are that the governments don't want to fight with the immigrants and give them special benefits- which upsets the native Europeans. The native Europeans starts disliking the immigrants - who will then feel like they don't belong here and who will then starts forming communities of their own to have something "of theirs". This in turn upsets the native Europeans - "they come here and won't assimilate"- and more disliking is born.
It's an never ending bad circle. It needs to be adressed in the governments, and we have to talk about it, openly. That is the only way we'll ever solve this growing problem.
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Old 09-29-2007, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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M & M's?!?! not the green ones!!!!!!!! Sorry cribster, had too.
Uh; the color green is the color of Islam.......and, too that color is popular in non Spanish Hispanic culture.

The sad part is that most Mexicans and Muslims are decent people.
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Old 09-29-2007, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The 15-25 year olds in Belgium that are being spoken about in the film are probably turning to radical islam since they feel lost. Their parents come from another country, from which they themselves may not come from if they are born in the new country, yet they are not fully from the new country since their parents aren't from there. They are therefore in a sort of limbo, not feeling like belonging to anything. And aren't, becasue of rascism, allowed to feel like citizens of the new country.
Radical islam is like a gang. And we all know about the gangs in the US. It is the same thing with muslims turning to radical islam. They want to belong to something, and here's something that provides a great sense of belonging. They create a new sense of belonging. They revolt from their new country - "if they don't want me then s**ew them! I don't agree with them, so I will fight them!"
You may have hit the nail on the head:

First generation immigrants from almost any Third World country (some of which are now First World) in at least the last 150 years (Mexican, Arab, Irish, Italian, Vietnamese, etc) are so grateful to be living in Sweden, UK, USA, etc. because things are so damn much better than their ancestral homeland-------better to be called an ethnic slur and deal with slight discrimination vs. being assaulted, killed, etc.

Second generation born in Sweden, UK, USA tend to be neither fish nor fowl due to not being fully 'Swedish' etc. culturally yet not have the perspective of what their parents dealt with back 'home'. Think as you pointed out: 'Islamist' gangs, Cholos, 'Streets of New York' style Irish gangs, etc.

Third and subsequent generations are usually fine: their parents are acculturated enough to teach their children local ways.
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Old 09-29-2007, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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All Whites would probably be enslaved in an Arab dominated Europe, just as in the past Arab slavers have made raids on villages as far north as Ireland and Scotland. Whether Christian, atheist, gay, or whatever, Whites will come under the boot of oppression by Saracen invaders unless they're stopped and our homelands are secured.
Irony here:

Arabs are legally 'Anglo/White' here in the USA.

As for the Islamists pulling something stupid: somehow I doubt it; 9-11 was a severe strategic miscalculation-------all it did was to **** off the USA.

Besides: the raw birthrate is plummeting in the Middle East outside of enclaves like Gaza, etc.

Iran; which is not Arab, its birthrate is 1.71 children per woman------well below replacement level of 2.1.

Israel is apparently becoming tight with the Muslim Kurds------the latter 'carry their Islam lightly' and tend to be extremely secular.

Heck: within Islam; you have the Sunnis and Shiites going at it------think Euro Catholics and Protestants around the Reformation.
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Old 09-29-2007, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Anglo means British.
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Old 09-29-2007, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Anglo means British.
Not here in the USA: an Anglo is a non Hispanic White person of any ethnicity-------including a dark skinned Middle Easterner.
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Old 09-29-2007, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I don't think so.
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Old 09-29-2007, 08:57 PM
 
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I don't think so.
Let me put it this way: my heritage is Hungarian/Irish/English and I look like a Viking........here in Arizona I am definitely classified as 'Anglo'.

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In the Southwest United States, Anglo, short for Anglo-American, refers to non-Hispanic European Americans, most of whom speak the English language but are not necessarily of English descent. The term was introduced by Mexicans speaking English as a second language, and has been regularly used by mainstream media such as the Los Angeles Times despite being considered ungrammatical and offensive to some. In the 2000 Census, 24.5 million Americans (8.7%) reported English ancestry. The figure is self-reported and is likely far higher in reality since partial English ancestry is common among Americans who, accordingly, tend to emphasize the more distinctive aspects of their heritage to census takers [citation needed].
Copy/paste from Wikipedia
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Old 09-30-2007, 09:48 AM
 
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In continuty of the thread topic of nasty non-assimilation, I dispute using any and all perjoratives just because some rude people use them in commonplace parlance. I am not "anglo" any more than I'm "gringo." My neighbors are not "'n' word" or "Asian epithet" just because my other neighbors from south of the our border are ill mannered enough to chose to keep using nasty-tempered slang. We are all Americans, with different backgrounds.

If you continue the line of thinking that regional provincialism can be excused for perpetating horrid nomenclature, then your world will mimic the worst redneck slang of fifty years ago, and foment all those hatreds anew. Calling anyone who's not from your immediate background something that these others do not wish to be called is pretty darned anti-social when you analyze it: Wikipedia is correct that it is offensive. However, our referencing "illegals" in these chats and elsewhere is correct usage, prevents unintentional profiling, and helps distinguish law-breakers from naturalized citizens, scuttling the "racist" card. I'm as proud of our naturalized citizens as I am ashamed of government's coddling of illegals and aggressive non-assimilationists, be it Muslims in Belgium or La Raza separatists in Los Angeles.

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Old 09-30-2007, 09:07 PM
 
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I certainly cannot figure out what the formally White nations in Europe, America, Australia, New Zealand and Canada have to gain from the massive importation of 3rd world hordes from the remote reaches of the Mexico, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, and Africa.
This is the question of the century.
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