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Old 06-25-2012, 10:17 AM
 
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This was a great decision for the most part. If you read it carefully, it fully establishes that the Federal government is the SUPREME government and states must be submissive. Hopefully this will finally shut up the "states rights" fools. Now that the Republicans have failed to harrass the poor immigrants out of the country, we can get about the REAL job of fixing the immigration in this country including a limited amnesty.
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Old 06-25-2012, 10:33 AM
 
Location: California
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The authors of the 4th amendment would disagree. Thanks a lot Constitution.
Search & Seizure? Asking questions and verifying through the FED Gov't database is not an illegal search nor seizure.

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The Constitution means nothing to these people.
You must first understand what the Constitution says. And then you need to know the SCOTUS rulings on it.

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Well, i guess this is the beginning of going back to the 1950's and 60's. Racial profiling as always been going on, but now they are starting to make it legal.
Nothing about this is racial profiling. What do you think happens when an LEO asks for your DL and goes back to his car? He runs your ID and checks for previous violations and outstanding warrants, nothing new.

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This was a great decision for the most part. If you read it carefully, it fully establishes that the Federal government is the SUPREME government and states must be submissive. Hopefully this will finally shut up the "states rights" fools. Now that the Republicans have failed to harrass the poor immigrants out of the country, we can get about the REAL job of fixing the immigration in this country including a limited amnesty.
What this merely states is that the Feds already have laws in regards to much of this, and that States can not add penalties above and beyond.

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Old 06-25-2012, 10:33 AM
 
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Sorry, but I don't think wanting our immigration laws respected and enforced is being a hardliner especially putting over 1 million of illegal foreigners into our workforce with work permits with millions of Americans out of work.

There were 4 provisions in this law. Two that were shot down were irrelevant IMO. There was one victory for the pro-illegal side and one for the anti-illegal side. See my post above for the details. I would still like to hear how the SC could justify their decision on allowing illegal aliens to work or seek work in our country when it is against the law already. Were our immigration laws null and void then from the get-go? If so, why didn't the SC challenge them in the first place? Something is definately amiss here.

Your opinion is irrelevant in this case! 4 provisions, 3 struck down. The provision that was upheld is being done in most jails anyway. I don't see how you can spin that as being some sort of victory for Jan brewer.
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Old 06-25-2012, 10:39 AM
 
Location: California
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Your opinion is irrelevant in this case! 4 provisions, 3 struck down. The provision that was upheld is being done in most jails anyway. I don't see how you can spin that as being some sort of victory for Jan brewer.
It can now also be done in the field by an officer at a traffic stop.
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Old 06-25-2012, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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At least the law enforcement officers do not have their hands completely tied and can ask for papers if a crime or other incidents have occured. What we do have is a President who refuses to enforce the federal laws on the books and that is the scary thing.
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Old 06-25-2012, 10:49 AM
 
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The Patriot Act effectively nullified the 4th Amendment and Obama signed it into permanent law.
Patriot act was introduced during the Bush administration and it sounds like you support it.

I was against the Patriot Act during the Bush administration and I'm against it during the Obama administration. I guess it's because I love the Constitution
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Old 06-25-2012, 10:54 AM
 
Location: California
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Patriot act was introduced during the Bush administration and it sounds like you support it.

I was against the Patriot Act during the Bush administration and I'm against it during the Obama administration. I guess it's because I love the Constitution
What part(s) exactly? Title 4 or 7 or 10, or all?
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Old 06-25-2012, 11:01 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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It can now also be done in the field by an officer at a traffic stop.
Loitering, tail light out, failure to yield. This is the green light LE has been waiting for.
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Old 06-25-2012, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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At least the law enforcement officers do not have their hands completely tied and can ask for papers if a crime or other incidents have occured. What we do have is a President who refuses to enforce the federal laws on the books and that is the scary thing.

So you say...........This from the Washington Post, not exactly a liberal rag.


Deportation of illegal immigrants increases under Obama administration

In a bid to remake the enforcement of federal immigration laws, the Obama administration is deporting record numbers of illegal immigrants and auditing hundreds of businesses that blithely hire undocumented workers.

The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration's 2008 total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007. The pace of company audits has roughly quadrupled since President George W. Bush's final year in office.

Deportation of illegal immigrants increases under Obama administration
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Old 06-25-2012, 11:07 AM
 
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Your opinion is irrelevant in this case! 4 provisions, 3 struck down. The provision that was upheld is being done in most jails anyway. I don't see how you can spin that as being some sort of victory for Jan brewer.
This victory is about LE during lawful contact (traffic stops for example) being able to inquire about status in this country if someone can't provide a valid ID. This would be prior to being jailed. Why do you think that the pro-illegal side was having such a hissy fit about sb1070 if you think this ruling was no big deal then and was being done already of which it wasnt? You know, all those cries of racial profiling, etc.?

Ah, and it is amazing what you find out about what the actual decisions made by the SC actually means when you read the wording of the actual law and their decisons on it.

The only part I had disagreed with on the SC was the decison to not make it a "criminal" offense for illegal aliens to work or seek work in this country. I still do disagree with that decision but I had thought initially that it meant that illegal aliens were completely exempt from the law by doing that. Not so! There already is a law on the books that it is a "civil" offense. That just hadn't changed with this new decision by the SC. That was a small victory for the pro-illegals. Two of the other parts of 1070 were shot down but I considered them irrelevant anyway.

However, AZ and the anti-illegal side had a huge victory by the part of the law that was upheld for them.
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