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Old 06-25-2012, 04:59 PM
 
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That's just not true. You post has no basis of truth and is just there to keep the masses inflamed against Hispanics. Hystrionic, bumper sticker, propaganda.
The justice dept in the matter of it's investigation of Maracopa Sheriff's Dept. has ruled out any cases that show any probable cause from their complaint. They are only concentrating on cases where there was no probable cause and hispanics were stopped and detained or as it's commonly called, racial profiling. Do you have access to arrest and detainment reports that the justice dept doesn't have?
Are you denying then that Hispanics legal or illegal are the ones claiming this racial profiling nonsense? The facts are there for all to read. As for Arpaio, get back with us when he is "convicted" of racial profiling. We'll wait. This all a political move on the part of the Obama administration because they want our borders wide open to Mexico and illegals left alone.
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Old 06-25-2012, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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First of all, I didn't mention Hispanics.

Second, no I don't have access to such reports. I'm telling you what I see in the future. It's happened before, and it will happen again.

It's people like you who accuse others of racial profiling, when in fact all they want is immigration laws enforced as regards ALL illegal aliens from ALL countries. Actually, there's a big bunch of illegal Irish immigrants, known as The Trvelers, I'd like to see deported. There are also many Asians, Indians, and Russians here who need to go. I want them all deported, and I don't want to wait until they're convicted of a felony before Obama considers them worthy of deportation.
No you didn't mention Hispanics but were talking about Arizona and SB1070. Who do you think would be the bulk of the illegals here?
My only objection to your inflamitory post was you, projecting that illegal immigrants who were in the act of excessive speeding, DUI and reckess driving will accuse the LEOs of racial profiling, when these are all probable causes to pull someone over and check their status. Any illegal claiming racial profiling under these circumstances would be laughed out of court.
With this type of inflamitory statements you attempt to inflame with no basis in fact except your warped, narrow, projections. I detest this type of unfounded blowhardiness and will call it out every time I encounter it.
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Old 06-25-2012, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Do you mean an LEO has no right to ask to see your driver's license, or if encountered during the course of an investigation, no right to ask you for proof of identity?
Under our constitution I have no obligation whatsoever to produce my ID to any agent of the state unless that agent has a probable cause to request such ID. For example, I was pulled over by an Ontario Provincial Policeman. When he asked to see my licence and insurance, I asked him why, he said, "Just a routine check". I told him there is no such a thing and if he insisted I would report him and maybe force him into a remedial course on citizens rights. I then asked him if I were free to go and he said, "Have a good day sir".

Now, a month or so later the same thing happened again. This time the cop said,"You have a tail light not working". that's a different case altogether. I am required to show ID as I had broken the law as set down in "The highway traffic act". I showed him all my paperwork and he just told me to get the light fixed.

The intent of the clause in the constitution is to prevent agents of the state from harrassing citizens for no cause at all. There was a time in this country where this was not the case, especially in Quebec. The Prime Minister who was primarily responsible for giving Canada this new constitution was very much a social justice radical. Before he was in politics, he taught constitutional law at the university in Montreal, {Sound familiar} anyway he was stopped by a quebec cop for no reason at all and he refused to identify himself. He spent the next two days in a jail cell in Montreal. When he became PM he was determined that this type of thing would never happen any more. It still does happen because there are so many people out there who just don't know what their rights are and so therefore don't defend themselves against gestapo type tatics that ALL LEOs will employ if THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT!!
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Old 06-25-2012, 07:08 PM
 
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No you didn't mention Hispanics but were talking about Arizona and SB1070. Who do you think would be the bulk of the illegals here?
My only objection to your inflamitory post was you, projecting that illegal immigrants who were in the act of excessive speeding, DUI and reckess driving will accuse the LEOs of racial profiling, when these are all probable causes to pull someone over and check their status. Any illegal claiming racial profiling under these circumstances would be laughed out of court.
With this type of inflamitory statements you attempt to inflame with no basis in fact except your warped, narrow, projections. I detest this type of unfounded blowhardiness and will call it out every time I encounter it.
No actually in our PC country today the illegal alien Hispanic or other illegal alien would probably file a racial profiling suit and win it whether there was any basis for it or not. Far too many cases like that already or similar to that in regards to illegal aliens.
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Old 06-25-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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No you didn't mention Hispanics but were talking about Arizona and SB1070. Who do you think would be the bulk of the illegals here?
My only objection to your inflamitory post was you, projecting that illegal immigrants who were in the act of excessive speeding, DUI and reckess driving will accuse the LEOs of racial profiling, when these are all probable causes to pull someone over and check their status. Any illegal claiming racial profiling under these circumstances would be laughed out of court.
With this type of inflamitory statements you attempt to inflame with no basis in fact except your warped, narrow, projections. I detest this type of unfounded blowhardiness and will call it out every time I encounter it.
Nothing warped with wanting ILLEGAL aliens OUT of the US. There's nothing wrong with charging people who protect illegal aliens by hiding them and so on, either.
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Old 06-25-2012, 08:39 PM
 
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Well -- second week in a row where the illegals are gleeful and euphoric. They pretty much are being handed this country.
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Old 06-25-2012, 09:48 PM
 
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Well -- second week in a row where the illegals are gleeful and euphoric. They pretty much are being handed this country.
I see that and I'm at my wits end. Tho IF the Feds keeping stabbing the American people in the back, the "knife" WILL be turned AGAINST the stabbers.
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Old 06-26-2012, 03:34 AM
 
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I see that and I'm at my wits end. Tho IF the Feds keeping stabbing the American people in the back, the "knife" WILL be turned AGAINST the stabbers.
This November hopefully.
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Old 06-26-2012, 04:29 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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But you have to think..the Fed are not doing such a great job at managing illegals and guarding the border. Cities and towns are overwhelmed with illegals, especially in border states, and budgets are busting at the seams.

If the Fed doesn't want to deport then they should at least give money to the states to cover the cost of educating them, feeding them, medical care for them, housing them.

There is a problem. This is not the only state to bring forward a bill to deal with illegals. This is because the Fed is NOT doing their job. What other recourse do states have ?

The Feds insist illegal immigration is under control but if you live in any of the border states you'd say otherwise.
Sine the Fed Govt is doing the best it ever has on securing the border, your comment doesn't ring very true. Everyone believes the Immigration problem needs to be reformed. The problem is, only the Dems are trying to get something done on it. Perhaps the SCOTUS thumping the RWnuts on 1070 may get a couple of Repubs to put a bit of distance from the "O'Connell initiative". But it is funny to see the delusional comments from people like Brewer. How funny!
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Old 06-26-2012, 06:45 AM
 
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Sine the Fed Govt is doing the best it ever has on securing the border, your comment doesn't ring very true. Everyone believes the Immigration problem needs to be reformed. The problem is, only the Dems are trying to get something done on it. Perhaps the SCOTUS thumping the RWnuts on 1070 may get a couple of Repubs to put a bit of distance from the "O'Connell initiative". But it is funny to see the delusional comments from people like Brewer. How funny!
Oh please. There is very little being done to secure the border -- even 6 year olds are crossing illegally into the USA -- recently one was stopped by the Arizona sheriffs but not by border agents. 6 year olds!! There is very little border enforcement. More children than ever are coming over the border because it's that easy. And nothing is being done with the visa overstayers -- get a tourist visa and stay and you have nothing to worry about.
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