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Old 06-25-2012, 11:58 AM
Status: "As a wise man once said, “So?”" (set 29 days ago)
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Can't we come up with solutions that include these folks in the American fabric, instead on constantly seeking ways to exclude them?

America has been doing exactly that throughout it's history. Irish, Jews, Italians, Germans, Chinese and on and on. Now the politicians have made immigration reform a wedge issue. If either side gives an inch, they feel they are losing the political fight.
We already do. It's called legal immigration. If you want to live and work in the United States, go through the proper channels.
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:03 PM
 
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So let me see if i have this straight? Our biggest concern is that these illegals are not citizens, and therefore any tax money that goes to help them is wrong? What if we look at it from a different viewpoint. The term "citizen" is one we seem to hold by, but eliminate that term for a minute. What if we look at these illegals as human beings who live in our neighborhoods who hold down jobs and pay plenty in sales tax. Now what if we could also get them to pay federal taxes on earnings?

I worked in an industry where I was constantly around these illegals, and guess what? They're people too. They just lack the technical designation of citizen. But otherwise, they bleed red. Can't we come up with solutions that include these folks in the American fabric, instead on constantly seeking ways to exclude them? (And btw, I'm a card-carrying Republican, so don't blame my ideas on bleeding heart liberalism)

One of my concerns is that our border is wide open. I'm thinking the guys that flew planes into the twin towers paid sales tax, were someones neighbor and bleed red.

I hate that wages have stagnated for the working class yet prices for food, gas, electricty and housing have gone up.

When I travel, I have to submit to someone entering my personal space, yet people are allowed to walk across the border unimpeded.
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:10 PM
 
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A slap in the face for Obummer
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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If a LEO asks me for ID here in Canada I will tell him to stuff it. I'm not required to identify myself to agents of the state unless they have "Probable cause" to suspect I have committed a crime. No BS probable cause will do either because I would sue and they know it. Without that freedom we really can't call ourselves a free people at all. We are fortunate that our supreme court takes this right seriously and almost all arrests arising out of illegal searches are thrown out.

My son was asked by a cop in Vancouver to empty out his backpack. He said to the cop, "AH, NO WAY, you have no cause to be harrassing me"!!!! When the cop started to insist my boy cut him off and asked him the key question. "Am I free to go"? The cop, lucky for him, must have suspected something was up because he said, "yes, but you are not being very helpful" LOL. My son was actually setting the cop up for a royal screwing because if the cop had said no you are not free to go then the law says that he has placed you under arrest. My son is a lawyer and a rabid civil rights advocate and that cop and his force would have been in very hot water and would have lost the false arrest case brought againsy them without a doubt.
This is not Canada.

Are you illegally in Canada?
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:22 PM
 
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So you say...........


Deportation of illegal immigrants increases under Obama administration

In a bid to remake the enforcement of federal immigration laws, the Obama administration is deporting record numbers of illegal immigrants and auditing hundreds of businesses that blithely hire undocumented workers.

The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration's 2008 total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007. The pace of company audits has roughly quadrupled since President George W. Bush's final year in office.

Deportation of illegal immigrants increases under Obama administration
Even Obama said those high deportation numbers were skewered. What was counted is those leaving voluntarily and those turned back at the border. Besides, Obama is only deporting harden criminal aliens while giving a back door amnesty for the rest with instructions to leave them alone. This is something to crow about? I don't think so!
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:25 PM
 
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Whew! sound's like you guys need to get crackin and fix the state audit system. Maybe the state of Texas needs to build a fence along their border with Mexico. How many thousands of miles of border do you have with mexico anyway? What's the estimated cost of an effective border fence? 20 million a mile?
Certainly you wouldn't expect the taxpayers of the other 49 states to finance your fence?
After it was explained to them that a fence is cheaper than allowing them to keep coming here...YES!
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:27 PM
 
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actually it isn't. the "meat" of the law has been rendered useless.

the last part of the law, will probably be dealt in State Court (not the federal level) since one can claim that there are no strict rules as to how cops can pull over someone (anyone) and ask them about their immigration status. It can be abused.
Wouldn't that be true of the enforcement of any of our laws though? Should we then stop enforcing all of our laws? Racial profiling and just pulling someone over to ask their status in this country is prohibited. What part of that aren't you gettiing?
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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It's astonishing how many actually believe our immigration laws should not be enforced. Do we need to wait until we have at least 100 million illegals living in this country before citizens finally decide enough is enough? We already know amnesty does not work, as evidenced by 1986. We will either enforce our laws, or surrender our sovereignty.
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Even Obama said those high deportation numbers were skewered. What was counted is those leaving voluntarily and those turned back at the border. Besides, Obama is only deporting harden criminal aliens while giving a back door amnesty for the rest with instructions to leave them alone. This is something to crow about? I don't think so!
No crows in this cornfield.

This post was in response to someone who stated that the Obama Administration is not deporting illegals. I used a conservative newspaper article to demonstrate that deportation levels are higher than they have ever been in the history of our country under the Obama Administration and much more than the Bush Administration ever was. I despise the one-liners packed with nothing but mis-information with no links to validate. I'll continue to discredit them.
Of course, for some, unless every single illegal in America is deported, it will not be enough. I get that part of the arguement.
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:34 PM
 
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If that job that no American would take, was all that was available between living and starving without a place to live, My wager is, someone would start working that job. As long oas the federal government is willing to give away tax dollars to support people, it will stay this way.
The jobs these illegal aliens are doing are jobs that Americans have always done and not just in desperate times either. Why shoudn't we despise illegal aliens that have violated our borders and taken American jobs and benefits?
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