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Old 07-13-2012, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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The objection is to illegal immigration first and foremost regardless of where they are from. As for legal immigration most rational Americans merely want it to be diversified. That isn't what is happening anymore.

We have already discussed the growth rate of said group and much of it is due to illegal immigration and anchor babies.

As for colonization of which the opening statements under this topic was about it is happening among many citizens and legal and illegal immigrants rather than assimilation. That is what happens when there is no diversity in immigration.
Yeah, this was already brought up, you didn't really prove your point with the statistics from only one year. My point is that comments on this thread, including yours, rail against the "Hispanification" of certain communities and areas. Whether it is impacted truly by factors of illegal immigration or not.

Critically think if the "il" was not there in the title...
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Old 07-13-2012, 12:04 PM
 
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The objection is to illegal immigration first and foremost regardless of where they are from. As for legal immigration most rational Americans merely want it to be diversified. That isn't what is happening anymore.

We have already discussed the growth rate of said group and much of it is due to illegal immigration and anchor babies.

As for colonization of which the opening statements under this topic was about it is happening among many citizens and legal and illegal immigrants rather than assimilation. That is what happens when there is no diversity in immigration.
Yes -- immigration is not at all diverse the way it now is.
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Old 07-13-2012, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Yes -- immigration is not at all diverse the way it now is.
Too many Asians?...
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Old 07-13-2012, 04:41 PM
 
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Yeah, this was already brought up, you didn't really prove your point with the statistics from only one year. My point is that comments on this thread, including yours, rail against the "Hispanification" of certain communities and areas. Whether it is impacted truly by factors of illegal immigration or not.

Critically think if the "il" was not there in the title...
Why should any area become culturally something else than what our identifying culture is regardless whether it be through immigration or not? That is what colonization is, not assimilation. I have no objection to ethnic business neighborhoods but entire towns are being colonized these days.
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Old 07-13-2012, 04:53 PM
 
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Why should any area become culturally something else than what our identifying culture is regardless whether it be through immigration or not? That is what colonization is, not assimilation. I have no objection to ethnic business neighborhoods but entire towns are being colonized these days.
And whether that "colonization" happens through legal or illegal immigration doesn't matter to you. That is the crux of my comment. It isn't an illegal immigration topic when most of the comments can pull the "il" out of the title, and still be authentic.
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Old 07-13-2012, 04:54 PM
 
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Too many Asians?...
I don't know -- I don't see many Asians and I definitely don't hear Asian foreign languages -- Asians seem more willing to learn English.
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:29 PM
 
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And whether that "colonization" happens through legal or illegal immigration doesn't matter to you. That is the crux of my comment. It isn't an illegal immigration topic when most of the comments can pull the "il" out of the title, and still be authentic.
It is more problematic when it is due to illegal immigration because it isn't a natural occurance at all and being done in violation of our immigration laws.

However, it is still colonization either way and not assimilation. Why live here legally or even as a citizen if you don't want to become a part of our society culturally and lingually?
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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Legal immigration has controls on it to insure that the aliens are coming here to JOIN our society NOT form colonies. Colonies have first and foremost a dedication to the country they CAME FROM. Legal aliens always present themselves with a legal name and welcome their new identification. Colonist resist any rules or laws that aren't theirs.Teddy Roosevelt addressed this many years ago and few people have expressed it better. Read "Roosevelt s speech on immigration" and learn about Americanism and why colonization can destroy our country............that is if you care and don't just want to argue..
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:37 PM
 
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Legal immigration has controls on it to insure that the aliens are coming here to JOIN our society NOT form colonies. Colonies have first and foremost a dedication to the country they CAME FROM. Legal aliens always present themselves with a legal name and welcome their new identification. Colonist resist any rules or laws that aren't theirs.Teddy Roosevelt addressed this many years ago and few people have expressed it better. Read "Roosevelt s speech on immigration" and learn about Americanism and why colonization can destroy our country............that is if you care and don't just want to argue..
Work sponsored legal immigration has those controls, but this family reunification that allows someone to bring in countless numbers of family members and then they can bring in other family members does promote the formation of colonies.

If you travel through Mexico, you will see many villages that have been emptied -- virtually ALL except the very young and very old are now living in the USA, and of course they have plans of bringing over those very old and very young the first chance they get. Legally or otherwise, it makes little difference to these people.
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:21 PM
 
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Work sponsored legal immigration has those controls, but this family reunification that allows someone to bring in countless numbers of family members and then they can bring in other family members does promote the formation of colonies.

If you travel through Mexico, you will see many villages that have been emptied -- virtually ALL except the very young and very old are now living in the USA, and of course they have plans of bringing over those very old and very young the first chance they get. Legally or otherwise, it makes little difference to these people.
Agreed about the work sponsored legal immigration vs the family reunification type of immigrant. Also colonization occurs when there are too many immigrants from one ethnic group or nationality coming in a short period of time. That is why it is so important to stop illegal immigration and have diversity quotas built into our legal immigration policies.

The early immigrants came from Italy, Spain, England, Poland, Germany etc. They all spoke different languages and had different cultures. Colonization for the most part was not possible.
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