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Old 07-16-2012, 04:17 PM
 
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How much money would we save by not having to provide anything to illegal aliens?

Have YOU ever considered that?

Our country was in MUCH better shape when illegal immigration was not out of control.

Go read a book.
This post definitely lived up to your name.
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:21 PM
 
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So how much more would our restaurants, groceries, lawn care, etc. cost without illegal immigration? Has anyone here ever considered that?
that's an absolute crock of crap!

just think how much wages have gone down for the average working man due to all the extra work-hands.

just think how much the strain on welfare and public services has gone up.

enough is enough - let them sort their own countries out rather than leeching off ours!
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:21 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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So how much more would our restaurants, groceries, lawn care, etc. cost without illegal immigration? Has anyone here ever considered that?
More then sure Americans can handle working in our Restaurants, which they already do, grocery stores, which they already do, i have had white landscapers in the past, imagine that. Illegals cost each State a bundle, some cities go bankrupt because the cost associated with illegals.

It's Automatic; send them all back home? No problem for most of us with those who want to become American Citizens, illegals, is another story, and quite Automatic, send their butts back home.
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:45 PM
 
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More then sure Americans can handle working in our Restaurants, which they already do, grocery stores, which they already do, i have had white landscapers in the past, imagine that. Illegals cost each State a bundle, some cities go bankrupt because the cost associated with illegals.

It's Automatic; send them all back home? No problem for most of us with those who want to become American Citizens, illegals, is another story, and quite Automatic, send their butts back home.
Yes -- but it's like those that wanted to keep slavery and justified slavery with those same arguments that they had to have the cheap labor, there are those today who actually want a large class of impoverished workers desperate to take any low wages and horrendous working conditions.

They want their servants very cheap and they want a whole lot of them.
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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.........there are those today who actually want a large class of impoverished workers desperate to take any low wages and horrendous working conditions.

They want their servants very cheap and they want a whole lot of them.
For a minute there I thought you were referring to Obama and his socialist agenda for America.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:23 AM
 
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I am curious. Would anyone here be in favor of deporting those who are net tax receivers? Take for example members of the Occupy movement, which contain many individuals who receive more from the welfare system than they pay in taxes (if they pay at all). Their jobs could be occupied by deserving tax payers, and the treasury would benefit from the decreased amount of people welfare leeches.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:44 AM
 
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I am curious. Would anyone here be in favor of deporting those who are net tax receivers? Take for example members of the Occupy movement, which contain many individuals who receive more from the welfare system than they pay in taxes (if they pay at all). Their jobs could be occupied by deserving tax payers, and the treasury would benefit from the decreased amount of people welfare leeches.
You mean a plan almost like Mexico and Central Americans have? Get rid of our own least capable citizens by dumping them into another country? Sure -- but that's not going to happen, we won't even send illegals who are living it up on welfare handouts back.
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Old 07-17-2012, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I am curious. Would anyone here be in favor of deporting those who are net tax receivers? Take for example members of the Occupy movement, which contain many individuals who receive more from the welfare system than they pay in taxes (if they pay at all). Their jobs could be occupied by deserving tax payers, and the treasury would benefit from the decreased amount of people welfare leeches.
First, you assume many receive welfare. Then, you suggest more deserving people should occupy their jobs. Which is it? Do you know these people personally to judge their worth to this country?

We can't deport citizens simply because they don't contribute to our tax base. That's ludicrous. Citizens have a right to be here, regardless of their income, or lack thereof. Even citizen parasites and criminals have a right to remain in this country. Illegal aliens have no such right. Furthermore, as malamute stated, unlike Mexico, we do not expect the taxpayers of another country to support our underclass and miscreant population. We take care of our own, even the undeserving.
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Old 07-17-2012, 10:44 AM
 
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First, you assume many receive welfare. Then, you suggest more deserving people should occupy their jobs. Which is it? Do you know these people personally to judge their worth to this country?
I committed no contradiction. It's possible to receive welfare benefits and hold a job. Even those nominally on unemployment can have jobs under the table. Why do you believe that they should receive state welfare? Please understand, I'm not against charitable contributions, but the case of state welfare is unique in that everyone is forced to pay taxes against their will for it. Why should anyone have that right?

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We can't deport citizens simply because they don't contribute to our tax base. That's ludicrous. Citizens have a right to be here, regardless of their income, or lack thereof. Even citizen parasites and criminals have a right to remain in this country. Illegal aliens have no such right. Furthermore, as malamute stated, unlike Mexico, we do not expect the taxpayers of another country to support our underclass and miscreant population. We take care of our own, even the undeserving.
Why do they have a right to be here? Because they were born here? How does that make one deserving of special treatment? Are babies born in one side of the border inherently American because of which side of the border they were born in? Do Canadian babies come with a little maple leaf flag? One can certainly become an American by his or her actions in life, but why is the simple act of birth sufficient for some?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not arguing that migrants deserve the same state welfare as others do. I'm saying noone does. I'd take more weight to your words that 'we take care of our own', if it wasn't that the funds weren't taken forcefully from those who earned the money fairly. I have a hard time accepting anything moral can be done based on thievery.
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:11 AM
 
Location: California
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Why do they have a right to be here?
All US citizens have the right to be here.

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Because they were born here?
Being born on US soil doesn't make one an automatic US Citizen as it is but just one of the requirements to be recognized as a US Citizen.

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How does that make one deserving of special treatment?
What special treatment do US Citizens attain? Afterall the DoI and the USC were written for our own protections, not those of the world who decide to come on their own without authorization.

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Are babies born in one side of the border inherently American because of which side of the border they were born in?
American as in US Citizen? American as in Nationality and legality of parents?

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Do Canadian babies come with a little maple leaf flag?
If they are born as Canadian Citizens, yes.

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One can certainly become an American by his or her actions in life, but why is the simple act of birth sufficient for some?
Because their parents have already attained citizenship or legal authorization form our gov't, which is then passed down to the child whom is born after this attainment.

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Don't get me wrong. I'm not arguing that migrants deserve the same state welfare as others do. I'm saying noone does. I'd take more weight to your words that 'we take care of our own', if it wasn't that the funds weren't taken forcefully from those who earned the money fairly. I have a hard time accepting anything moral can be done based on thievery.
Earned money fairly? So working here without authorization is money earned fairly and not theft in itself? Libertarians and there mis-understanding of Classic Liberalism. Its the globalist (Libertarianism) vs the nationalist (Classic Liberalism). If those that are here illegally working and stealing those jobs would be here on legal work visas, they wouldn't be having those specific payroll deductions with held from their checks, thus the difference between working here legally vs working here illegally. Illegally you lose some of your money due to not being here legally to begin with.
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