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Old 07-14-2012, 09:21 AM
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And really this video was kind of stupid. The guy was holding himself up by not just saying he was a US citizen. Most of the time these border check points and the ports of entry, all that they do is ask "are you a US citizen?" and you say "yes" and on your way you go.

Even on the buses that originate in Mexico and 3/4 of the passengers are not US citizens, you are only asked to have your passport out if you are not a citizen. If you don't show a passport, they ask you if you are a citizen, you answer "yes" and that's the end of it.

These checkpoints are simply "yes" answers. You're never asked for identification unless you say you are not a citizen.
It's not constitutional.
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:36 AM
 
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It's not constitutional.
Could you post a link proving that?
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:51 AM
 
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It's not constitutional.
Then why did Bill Clinton have them put up? Blurring the border with his whacky co-national border zone was not constitutional either. That's what they're all about. The original border for all practical purposes was eliminated and these border patrol checks were moved about 80 miles inland. It's amazing so many people don't know this happened.
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:53 AM
 
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Could you post a link proving that?
Actually I think he's right -- it's just that the open borders radicals and globalists wanted these inland checkpoints to justify their global agenda and giving more rights to Mexicans over the USA. I don't think Clinton gave a damn about the Constitution, nor do any of the globalists.
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Old 07-14-2012, 11:54 AM
 
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Well I know first hand as I've been stopped and questioned by the Border Patrol three different times.

First they ask you something in English. If you cannot understand that, then they will ask you some questions in Spanish. If you can understand the English question, and answer in English, you get a few more questions in English that help them determine your status. If you cannot answer the questions appropriately and go to lying, they can then deport you and ban you from reentry for 10 years -- lying is worse than truth telling. If you answer honestly, you may be offered a ride to the border but not formally deported which means you're record is clean - sort of clean at least. And obviously if you cannot speak a word of English, not even to tell them where you attended school or in what county you were born, you're going to get a few more questions. And the agents aren't all that stupid. If your accent is from Honduras and you claim to be born and raised in Boston, it's going to be obvious that you're a liar.

It's really not all that different if you were trying to figure out between Willy Nelson and Ozzie Osbourne which one was born in England and which one was born in the USA.
How can they offer you a ride to the border if you not Mexican There are different rules for deportation for people from Mexico and non Mexicans Non Mexicans can't be deported to Mexico
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Old 07-14-2012, 12:04 PM
 
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How can they offer you a ride to the border if you not Mexican There are different rules for deportation for people from Mexico and non Mexicans Non Mexicans can't be deported to Mexico
Well yes, I never said otherwise. Most of those crossing over the US-Mexico border are from Mexico and it's smarter for illegal Mexicans to just take the ride back over. The sooner they get back to Mexico, the sooner they can reenter illegally -- but it's also not considered a deportation if they do the voluntary departure.

If they're not from Mexico, they will be held in a detention center longer and I don't think voluntary departure is an option for them. The voluntary departure illegals just get held for a short time, they do get fingerprinted but there is no court ordered deportation so they have a cleaner record. Then they are driven to the gate in the fence at the border and home they go. And usually right back here they come.
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Old 07-14-2012, 12:57 PM
 
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How can they offer you a ride to the border if you not Mexican There are different rules for deportation for people from Mexico and non Mexicans Non Mexicans can't be deported to Mexico
Many non Mexican Hispanic illegal aliens say the're "Mexican" cause it's less hassle to try to come back to the US from there.
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Old 07-14-2012, 01:04 PM
 
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It's not constitutional.
I suggest doing some basic research. Within 100 miles of the national borders of the US
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"Border Patrol agents at checkpoints have legal authority that agents do not have when patrolling areas away from the border. The United States Supreme Court ruled that Border Patrol agents may stop a vehicle at fixed checkpoints for brief questioning of its occupants even if there is no reason to believe that the particular vehicle contains illegal aliens.[4] The Court further held that Border Patrol agents "have wide discretion" to refer motorists selectively to a secondary inspection area for additional brief questioning.[5] In contrast, the Supreme Court held that Border Patrol agents on roving patrol may stop a vehicle only if they have reasonable suspicion that the vehicle contains aliens who may be illegally in the United States—a higher threshold for stopping and questioning motorists than at checkpoints.[6] The constitutional threshold for searching a vehicle is the same, however, and must be supported by either consent or probable cause, whether in the context of a roving patrol or a checkpoint search.[7]"
(4)(5) United States v. Martinez-Fuerte 1976; (6) United States v. Brignonoi-Ponce 1975; (7) United States v. Ortiz 1975
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Old 07-14-2012, 01:24 PM
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I suggest doing some basic research. Within 100 miles of the national borders of the US (4)(5) United States v. Martinez-Fuerte 1976; (6) United States v. Brignonoi-Ponce 1975; (7) United States v. Ortiz 1975
Why didn't they arrest this guy in the video then? He refused to answer.
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Old 07-14-2012, 01:31 PM
 
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Why didn't they arrest this guy in the video then? He refused to answer.
You might want to do some research on this clown. Pastor claims attack by Border Patrol, Arizona DPS - National Civil Liberties | Examiner.com
Besides he has already been discussed in this forum numerous times.
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