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Old 07-14-2012, 01:32 PM
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Location: Denver
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Actually you should research more, the checkpoints are legal...the requirement to answer the questions is not enforceable. You don't have to answer.
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Old 07-14-2012, 01:35 PM
 
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Many non Mexican Hispanic illegal aliens say the're "Mexican" cause it's less hassle to try to come back to the US from there.
Yes and many, especially those from Guatemala will actually buy fake Mexican ID papers like birth certificates from Chiapas so they can more easily pass through Mexico. The Mexican army will stop someone they've racially profiled as being in Mexico illegally. If they have Chiapas ID's they can often get by with being in Mexico illegally except that some get a fake birth certificate when they really should get the fake IFE cards which is Mexico's ID card. That can get them caught right there as any Mexican knows it's the IFE card that proves his citizenship but others might think it's the birth certificate.
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Old 07-14-2012, 01:41 PM
 
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Actually you should research more, the checkpoints are legal...the requirement to answer the questions is not enforceable. You don't have to answer.
You don't really have to answer -- that's true but if you want to spend longer like this guy did even though he pretended he was in a hurry, you can sit and argue for a while. Otherwise you just say yes or nod your head affirmatively and you're waved through. I just went through one a week ago -- and it was about a second stop.

It's not as though they haven't already gathered all the x-rays and other information they wanted. That's another thing people seem very unaware of -- they technology that is being used, you can feel the heat as you pass through from the cameras and monitors.

Why is this suddenly big news that there are 3 different threads just posted?
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Old 07-14-2012, 02:30 PM
Status: "Make America the Great Joke Again" (set 24 days ago)
 
Location: Denver
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You don't really have to answer -- that's true but if you want to spend longer like this guy did even though he pretended he was in a hurry, you can sit and argue for a while. Otherwise you just say yes or nod your head affirmatively and you're waved through. I just went through one a week ago -- and it was about a second stop.

It's not as though they haven't already gathered all the x-rays and other information they wanted. That's another thing people seem very unaware of -- they technology that is being used, you can feel the heat as you pass through from the cameras and monitors.

Why is this suddenly big news that there are 3 different threads just posted?
The AZ law (which many of you support) is a catalyst for more of this type of citizen policing. More people should do exactly what this guy in the video did.
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Old 07-14-2012, 02:34 PM
 
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The AZ law (which many of you support) is a catalyst for more of this type of citizen policing.
There is no law in AZ which allows policing of citizens or anyone else other than under lawful contact. In otherwords they would have to be guilty of or suspected of being involved in a crime or a traffic violation. Try again.
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Old 07-14-2012, 02:36 PM
 
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The AZ law (which many of you support) is a catalyst for more of this type of citizen policing. More people should do exactly what this guy in the video did.
I support 1070 and many "brown" people here do too.
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:10 PM
 
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Actually you should research more, the checkpoints are legal...the requirement to answer the questions is not enforceable. You don't have to answer.
I never claimed the check points to be illegal, you were the one that said they were unconstitutional. If the questions are not answered then BP can legally detain you until they determine your status. Next time you go through a check point try not answering the question and see what it gets you.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/23610952-post28.html
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Although the Supreme Court created a narrow exception to the general requirements of reasonable suspicion and probable cause in Martinez-Fuerte, it emphasized that appropriate limitations on the scope of an immigration stop safeguard Fourth Amendment rights at permanent checkpoints.17In United States v. Machuca-Barrera, we addressed those limitations in detail and noted that “[t]he scope of an immigration checkpoint stop is limited to the justifying, programmatic purpose of the stop:  determining the citizenship status of persons passing through the checkpoint.” 18  It follows that the permissible duration of an immigration stop is the “time reasonably necessary to determine the citizenship status of the persons stopped.”
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:20 PM
 
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The AZ law (which many of you support) is a catalyst for more of this type of citizen policing. More people should do exactly what this guy in the video did.
Citizen policing? You don't seem to aware of how the laws work or how you are only assumed to be a citizen or resident within the state you reside. Unless you hold a US passport stating you are a citizen or have naturalization papers, you are but assumed to be a citizen or legal resident. If you are within any part of that 100 mile zone of any national border within the USA, you should be able to prove you are what you claim, Federal Law. If more people did what this clown did, the Federal gov't would be out of debt in a few short years.

Even the Feathered Bastard can't stand this assclown. http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bas...ma_warrant.php
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But it's a tribute to both Obama-hating pastor Steven Anderson and to his Ron Paul-y supporters at the RP4409 YouTube site that they actually make me feel a sort of reluctant sympathy for the U.S. Border Patrol and Yuma cops and AZ DPS and anyone else who has to deal with these wackos.
Anderson, of course, is the Tempe Bible-thumper who wants President Obama to die like a salted snail. He's also the guy who ministers spiritually to liber-tard-ian Christopher "AR-15" Broughton, who wore an assault rifle to where the Prez was speaking outside the Phoenix Convention Center August 17.

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