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Unread 07-31-2012, 08:18 AM
 
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I'm not afraid of immigrant children or a diverse population. Also, there's something to be said about positive population growth. Or would you rather be in Japan's shoes?
The subject wasn't about immigrant children but children born on our soil from foreign parents. Those children are not immigrants. The point is that it is quite a phenomenum when foreign born parents are givng birth in higher numbers on our soil than native born citizen parents. We don't need more population growth in view of the state that this country is in. At the very most we should just be giving birth at replacement levels until we get our house in order. That's quite a stretch claiming that I am for implementing the one child per family policy of another country which I think is China not Japan.

Just how diverse are these births anyway? I think the statistics prove that they are from mostly one group. That's not diversity. What is even more alarming is that many of these births are from illegal immigrant parents.
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Unread 08-02-2012, 04:46 AM
 
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But much of that is also from the housing developments that the government is putting up...

You're always saying high birth rates, younger ages for mothers, but never have any data that really backs that up...

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Not really, with two-thirds of it coming from U.S. citizens and Legal Permanent Residents...
Can you put up a link to support that? After searching, I can only see a bottom line number for a year, and no breakdown of how much is remitted by citizens, legal residents and illegals.

If only 1/3 of illegals are sending out untaxed money, how do the 2/3rds that are not sending money financially survive in the US? What are they doing with their money, stuffing their mattresses with it? Investing it? I mean, if they don't have money to send back and are scraping by, why bother to stay in the US illegally?
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Unread 08-02-2012, 04:49 AM
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Case in point, it's just easier for the people here to pretend like a point hasn't been made.

There are many posts in this very thread claiming ridiculous stereotypes like illegals commit high rates of crime and have "5 or 6" children. The reality would be that Mexicans, illegal or legal, have only slightly higher birthrates than Americans. The average is around 3, and in both nations has been falling for decades. In fact, Mexico may fall below replacement levels by mid-century. They are also falling in the US. As far as crime, there are quite a few studies out there that show that immigrants, even illegals, actually have lower rates of crime than native citizens. They also tend to have higher rates of small business ownership. Not that anyone here will believe any of that because it doesn't fit the narrative.
nice try, but the actual numbers don't back you up at all:

The Mexican-American Boom: Births Overtake Immigration - Pew Research Center
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Unread 08-02-2012, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Can you put up a link to support that? After searching, I can only see a bottom line number for a year, and no breakdown of how much is remitted by citizens, legal residents and illegals.

If only 1/3 of illegals are sending out untaxed money, how do the 2/3rds that are not sending money financially survive in the US? What are they doing with their money, stuffing their mattresses with it? Investing it? I mean, if they don't have money to send back and are scraping by, why bother to stay in the US illegally?
It is about one-third of remittances sent by illegal aliens, not one-third of illegal aliens sending remittances. This is why I get bored here. Everyone mixes up statistics, then screams about their false notions made from the mistake.

Or like you have, then generating a false premise to explain two-thirds of illegal aliens as "scraping by"...

"Scraping by" is sure to key the canned text from "malamute"...

Ad nauseum...
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Unread 08-02-2012, 08:46 AM
 
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It is about one-third of remittances sent by illegal aliens, not one-third of illegal aliens sending remittances. This is why I get bored here. Everyone mixes up statistics, then screams about their false notions made from the mistake.

Or like you have, then generating a false premise to explain two-thirds of illegal aliens as "scraping by"...

"Scraping by" is sure to key the canned text from "malamute"...

Ad nauseum...
You mean like the other side that claims that illegal immigrants are only doing jobs that Americans won't do? You mean like those false notions? Does that also bore you?
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Unread 08-02-2012, 10:39 AM
 
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It is about one-third of remittances sent by illegal aliens, not one-third of illegal aliens sending remittances. This is why I get bored here. Everyone mixes up statistics, then screams about their false notions made from the mistake.

Or like you have, then generating a false premise to explain two-thirds of illegal aliens as "scraping by"...

"Scraping by" is sure to key the canned text from "malamute"...

Ad nauseum...
Source? If the Mexican government doesn't know who leaves legally or illegally, how on earth do they know what percentage of remittances are from legal immigrants? Remember, we have had this discussion before, and the remittance forms do NOT include immigration status.
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Unread 08-02-2012, 01:55 PM
 
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It is about one-third of remittances sent by illegal aliens, not one-third of illegal aliens sending remittances. This is why I get bored here. Everyone mixes up statistics, then screams about their false notions made from the mistake.

Or like you have, then generating a false premise to explain two-thirds of illegal aliens as "scraping by"...

"Scraping by" is sure to key the canned text from "malamute"...

Ad nauseum...
Where's the link(s) to support your claim? Let's see a breakdown of the $21 billion that is remitted annually to Mexico by citizens, legal residents and illegals. When someone else makes a statement that you challenge you ask for a link. Having trouble complying when asked to do the same?

If you are so bored, you are free to excuse yourself and move on.
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Unread 08-02-2012, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Source? If the Mexican government doesn't know who leaves legally or illegally, how on earth do they know what percentage of remittances are from legal immigrants? Remember, we have had this discussion before, and the remittance forms do NOT include immigration status.
I've seen the Western Union forms they use. Standard Western Union money transfer forms.
There is no checkbox for "illegal citizen..yes/no".

More made up statistics.

I just find it fascinating that for a group of people that are not supposed to be here and supposedly live under the radar, that we can gather so many statistics and facts about them yet we can't catch them to deport back to their countries. We can even break down the demographics and tell you what cities and states most of them live in and what they do for work.

And the biggest joke of all is that we're holding steady at 12 million illegals..same number since 1986.
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Unread 08-02-2012, 02:57 PM
 
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Source? If the Mexican government doesn't know who leaves legally or illegally, how on earth do they know what percentage of remittances are from legal immigrants? Remember, we have had this discussion before, and the remittance forms do NOT include immigration status.
What "remittance forms"? The banking system in Mexico handles all remittances made to there, and has tracked the source of funds. Isn't it also logical attachment that illegal aliens do about a third of remittances when U.S. citizens and Legal Permanent Residents are also sending them?

Anybody else pick up on the angle about one-third of remittances not meaning one-third of illegal aliens?...
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Unread 08-02-2012, 07:23 PM
 
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What "remittance forms"? The banking system in Mexico handles all remittances made to there, and has tracked the source of funds. Isn't it also logical attachment that illegal aliens do about a third of remittances when U.S. citizens and Legal Permanent Residents are also sending them?

Anybody else pick up on the angle about one-third of remittances not meaning one-third of illegal aliens?...
The money doesn't just magically appear in Mexico. The sender must first complete a money transfer form. Would you give cash to a bank teller without first completing a deposit slip? Would they even accept money from you without one? Certainly you wouldn't hand over cash to an employee at a Western Union, and tell them to send it to Uncle Juan in Mexico without completing a form, if only for your record of the transaction. Nor would the company have a record of the transaction. How could they operate a business without accurate accounting procedures? C'mon. This isn't rocket science.

By "track the source" I assume you mean to the individuals sending the money. Fine. That goes without saying. But, the million dollar question is, since the money transfer forms from the U.S. do NOT include immigration status or citizenship status, how does Mexico determine which remittances are received from illegal aliens, U.S. citizens, or LPRs. And, please provide a link to a credible source.

Here's a link to a standard Western Union money transfer form. Western Union Money Transfer Form

Unless Mexicans are voluntarily indicating their status in the comments section, which is highly unlikely, there is no way the Mexican government can ascertain their status. Nor do banks offering these services make such an inquiry.

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